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Why the hate for Hi-Sec players?
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#241 - 2012-06-06 18:54:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Nexus Day wrote:
Which makes me think you think this is a PVP centric game. It isn't. It is an economic centric game
…which means it's a PvP-centric game since the entire economy is founded on a PvP market, which is supplied by a PvP industry that responds to a PvP-generated demand.

There is next to zero PvE, and what there is is purely incidental and just thrown in for giggles.

So you got that pretty much 100% backwards.


…oh, and yes, of course CEOs fly around in frigates. Why on earth shouldn't they? EVE isn't one of those fundamentally flawed games where bigger is better, after all.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#242 - 2012-06-06 20:08:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Natsett Amuinn
Tippia wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Which makes me think you think this is a PVP centric game. It isn't. It is an economic centric game
…which means it's a PvP-centric game since the entire economy is founded on a PvP market, which is supplied by a PvP industry that responds to a PvP-generated demand.

There is next to zero PvE, and what there is is purely incidental and just thrown in for giggles.

So you got that pretty much 100% backwards.


…oh, and yes, of course CEOs fly around in frigates. Why on earth shouldn't they? EVE isn't one of those fundamentally flawed games where bigger is better, after all.


I personally think you're both wrong. The economy is driven by both PvE and PvP. I lost 3 ships on my alt, no PvP involved, and I eneded up buy 3 ships off the market that other players made.


I don' think it's fare to say that the game is either PvP or PvE centric.

It's a sandbox, that means it's whatever it is to you and whatever it is to me, and we may both have a different view of what the game revolves around based on how we play in the sandbox. Neither of us would be right, and both of us would more then likely be wrong.

It's kid of the point of a sandbox.
Kyle Myr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#243 - 2012-06-06 21:16:53 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Nexus Day wrote:
Which makes me think you think this is a PVP centric game. It isn't. It is an economic centric game
…which means it's a PvP-centric game since the entire economy is founded on a PvP market, which is supplied by a PvP industry that responds to a PvP-generated demand.

There is next to zero PvE, and what there is is purely incidental and just thrown in for giggles.

So you got that pretty much 100% backwards.


…oh, and yes, of course CEOs fly around in frigates. Why on earth shouldn't they? EVE isn't one of those fundamentally flawed games where bigger is better, after all.


I personally think you're both wrong. The economy is driven by both PvE and PvP. I lost 3 ships on my alt, no PvP involved, and I eneded up buy 3 ships off the market that other players made.


I don' think it's fare to say that the game is either PvP or PvE centric.

It's a sandbox, that means it's whatever it is to you and whatever it is to me, and we may both have a different view of what the game revolves around based on how we play in the sandbox. Neither of us would be right, and both of us would more then likely be wrong.

It's kid of the point of a sandbox.


This misses what the concept of 'the market is PvP' means -

When people say the market is PvP, it doesn't necessarily refer to the fact that demand is driven by PvP losses. It refers to the fact that when you buy or sell something, your order's price is competing against other players' buy or sell order prices, and not an NPC baseline price.
Elessa Enaka
Doomheim
#244 - 2012-06-06 21:19:35 UTC
Drei Ontalas wrote:
1. In these forums there appears to be this notion that Hi-sec players should move (by force or encouragement) to lower-sec space. Why?

If a player is happy mining scordite in 1.0 space why is that a problem?
If a player like to sit in Jita making trades why is that a problem?
If a player prefers to do hi-sec missions what is the problem?

2. I am genuinely interested in establishing where/how the hostility towards hi-sec comes from. From my admittedly limitedly experience it seems so come down to the EVE equivalent of "Mommy he won't play with me! Make him!"

Am I completely off the mark?


It is because the asshats have driven off everyone in low and 0.0 and they need more victims. Where do they get these victims? High-sec of course. They can either come to lower sec space to be victims or the asshats will come to high-sec and victimize them (while being paid by Goons too).

Devour to survive, so it is, so it's always been Eve is a great game if you can get past all of the asshats....