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CCP remove fighting from 1.0 and .9 space.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#61 - 2012-05-31 04:34:14 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
no risk = no reward.

Safe systems like these can only exist if they yield absolutely no profit. But they already exist: they are called EVE Online Forums.

OOOOOHHHH

Good one Big smile

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#62 - 2012-05-31 04:46:07 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
Oh look, another goon alt thread.


Im not a goon alt. I would never be part of something that will destroy EVE.


Ignorance is bliss, isn't it?
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#63 - 2012-05-31 04:50:46 UTC
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Much like real world police concord provides consequences not protection.


False analogy, real world police also take preventative measures, concord does not.


But they do.

Gate guns. They make ganking on Gates/Stations (areas most prone to ganking otherwise) much, much harder.

NPC police already chases you when your sec is low enough.

You can bump CONCORD prevention but they will bump NPC tax rate :P. Not sure bears will like a 50% tax rate.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#64 - 2012-05-31 04:52:23 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
But they do.

Gate guns. They make ganking on Gates/Stations (areas most prone to ganking otherwise) much, much harder.

NPC police already chases you when your sec is low enough.

You can bump CONCORD prevention but they will bump NPC tax rate :P. Not sure bears will like a 50% tax rate.

I guess they'd love a police state Shocked

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Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#65 - 2012-05-31 04:54:36 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
no risk = no reward.

Safe systems like these can only exist if they yield absolutely no profit. But they already exist: they are called EVE Online Forums.


1.0 and .9 systems in EVE give very low profit. Thats why players move to lower systems.


But since they yield something, there is some risk, but very low. Surely you must agree.

/thread
Samantha Utama
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#66 - 2012-05-31 05:38:33 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:

Goonswarm you want to take away high sec from carebears well carebears would like CCP to take away high sec from you!!


FTFY
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#67 - 2012-05-31 05:42:59 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill


I guess things are quiet out in nullsec, that can be the only explanation for this flood of bad posts on the forums.

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Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-05-31 05:47:40 UTC
Henry Haphorn wrote:
My god, did all of the WoW and Hello Kitty Online players sudden decide to flood Eve Online with their entitlement issues?


People are tired of the ganking crap that is going on. Lots of people actually enjoy the PvE aspects of eve and the ganking detracts from a persons ability to play eve how they would like.

Large alliances are trying harder than ever to push their ideals of their way being the correct way to play eve instead of players playing eve how they would like.

And, you know, where else would all these hi-sec dwellers go to rally up people who are tired of all the crap?
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#69 - 2012-05-31 05:51:43 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
False analogy, real world police also take preventative measures, concord does not.


If you think of hisec as America you're kind of wrong it's more like Somalia and CONCORD are the UN peacekeepers


Learn to read. His analogy did not specify location of said police, thus his analogy was wrong, and you are wrong. I however am still correct.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#70 - 2012-05-31 06:03:16 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Much like real world police concord provides consequences not protection.


False analogy, real world police also take preventative measures, concord does not.


But they do.

Gate guns. They make ganking on Gates/Stations (areas most prone to ganking otherwise) much, much harder.

NPC police already chases you when your sec is low enough.

You can bump CONCORD prevention but they will bump NPC tax rate :P. Not sure bears will like a 50% tax rate.


Do you even understand what an analogy is and what I was saying to the other guy? Learn the meaning of the word "preventative" and it's application in my original statement.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#71 - 2012-05-31 06:12:13 UTC
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
no risk = no reward.

Safe systems like these can only exist if they yield absolutely no profit. But they already exist: they are called EVE Online Forums.


I lolled...

Hi-sec has reward?

Eve is about Capital ships, WiS, Boobs, PI and Isk!
InternetSpaceship
State War Academy
Caldari State
#72 - 2012-05-31 06:34:33 UTC  |  Edited by: InternetSpaceship
Drax Dremal wrote:
Removing combat from 1.0 and .9 space will give the new players a chance to enjoy the game and give players who dont want combat a place of peace.

Goonswarm you want to take away high sec from carebears well carebears would like to take away high sec from you!!

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill


Why should ccp play the game for you?

I'll ask again, why not form a corp to take us on yourself? Surely you can find enougj people who want us gone. Why do you insist on ccp catering only to your playstyle? We earned the power we have. Why should you get your goals handed to you?

Seriously, you want us out of highsec, do it yourself you lazy ass. Don't go crying to CCP.

Official Recruiter for GoonSwarm Corporation.

If you paid isk to get into GoonSwarm, you were probably scammed.  If you had the foresight to save the name of your scammer, let me know and I'll do what I can to help you.
Josef Djugashvilis
#73 - 2012-05-31 06:35:46 UTC
[quote=Drax Dremal

Im not a goon alt. I would never be part of something that will destroy EVE.[/quote]

But your suggestion would destroy Eve.

This is not a signature.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#74 - 2012-05-31 06:37:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Alavaria Fera
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Drax Dremal wrote:
Im not a goon alt. I would never be part of something that will destroy EVE.

But your suggestion would destroy Eve.

He isn't in CCP.

Wait, I mean goons. No wait. He's on these forums, that must be what you mean.

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Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#75 - 2012-05-31 07:44:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Drax Dremal wrote:
Removing combat from 1.0 and .9 space will give the new players a chance to enjoy the game and give players who dont want combat a place of peace.

Goonswarm you want to take away high sec from carebears well carebears would like to take away high sec from you!!

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill


For ****'s sakes...

Another oneRoll

Just what the Hell did you think you were getting into when you hit "Download client," anyway?

This is not a multi-sharded game with PvE-only and PvP shards.

This is not a game with well-developed PvE content to balance the lack of PvP on a PvE-only shard.

This is not a game for carebears who feel entitled to doing what they want completely risk-free!!!

Get the god-damned message, already, I really don't see what is so frigging hard about this!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#76 - 2012-05-31 07:51:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Tippia wrote:
-∞/10.

Worst troll ever.


Maybe so, but for every one blatant troll spewing this rubbish, you just know there are 100 disgusting, disgusting over-entitled little whiners who actually believe and want this, and who seem convinced that they're going to get it if they just squeal long/loud enough.

This is a problem, given that CCP must remain profitable for there to even be an EVE.

E:

Where did all these carebear parasites come from? I don't remember there being this many until about the last year, year and a half or so.

Why now, and why relatively suddenly?

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#77 - 2012-05-31 08:18:31 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
Removing combat from 1.0 and .9 space will give the new players a chance to enjoy the game and give players who dont want combat a place of peace.

Goonswarm you want to take away high sec from carebears well carebears would like to take away high sec from you!!

A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject.
Winston Churchill



I lol'd
Aodha Khan
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#78 - 2012-05-31 08:37:55 UTC
No. This is Eve not WoW or Hello Kitty.

Go back there is you want to be safe.

Power is not something that is granted - it is something to be taken.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#79 - 2012-05-31 08:40:28 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Tippia wrote:
-∞/10.

Worst troll ever.


Maybe so, but for every one blatant troll spewing this rubbish, you just know there are 100 ... over-entitled little whiners who actually believe and want this, and who seem convinced that they're going to get it if they just squeal long/loud enough.

This is a problem, given that CCP must remain profitable for there to even be an EVE.



If it ever really came to that and the viability of the game were at stake, I'm pretty sure CCP would save EVE at any cost. All other considerations are obviously secondary to the game's preservation. I think it unlikely though. Miners have always complained about ganks - and high-sec mining continues. Gankers have always taken what they want. It's classic altruistic and selfish behavior patterns and ultimately both are successful evolutionary strategies. Richard Dawkins could have a field day with this game.

Altering the balance of power could be done temporarily in an attempt to alter gamers' playstyles, but it couldn't work as a long-term solution. (It would be a he77 of a note though, if the powers that be had to institute a "season" on hulk hunting because the wolves were eating too many sheep.) Making any area of the game permanently 100 percent secure would irrevocably damage the sandbox concept this game is founded upon. If you tried to increase resources in low to lure gankers away, you'd only be making that demographic even more wealthy/powerful and once you cave in to the demands of industrialists, there's nothing to stop them from just demanding something else. Either is a losing strategy. In making the hard choices of an endgame scenario, no matter what CCP would do, someone will be dissatisfied. But that's politics. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that on some whiteboard in CCP hq, someone has already long ago dreamt up these armageddon scenarios and brainstormed possible contingencies.

The safest course of action (imo) is just to develop a system that is fair and balanced, give participants a true voice in their governence, only intervene in times of extreme danger to the game's viability, and just let the players do what they will. No one's path in this game is set and regardless of the rules, it will always be players' own choices which determine their experience.

Yonis Kador
Thor Kerrigan
Guardians of Asceticism
#80 - 2012-05-31 09:34:47 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Thor Kerrigan wrote:
no risk = no reward.

Safe systems like these can only exist if they yield absolutely no profit. But they already exist: they are called EVE Online Forums.


I lolled...

Hi-sec has reward?


~80% of eve characters apparently think so Blink

But in all seriousness, it does. It has enough rewards to pay for a PLEX with an average amount of effort. And being able to afford a PLEX seems to be the real reason people feel entitled to their opinion on what is fair. Everyone feels their activities should earn them a PLEX each month and complain when said activities are disrupted.

Examples: nerfing AFK cloaking, suicide ganking, moving level 4's out of highsec, nerfing highsec incursions, nerfing sanctums...

This mentality is worst in highsec where people are not used to better rewards yet fly more expensive ships thinking being in hi-sec will protect their investment. The grind to acquire said goods is therefore longer in highsec which causes an even greater pain when loosing it.