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CCP needs to take a hard look at Goonswarm and Hulkageddon to save EVE.
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Farmer Daughter
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#441 - 2012-06-17 22:04:18 UTC
Krios Ahzek wrote:
Drax Dremal wrote:
Goonswarm is bot moon mining,


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That really is the best part.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#442 - 2012-06-17 22:07:50 UTC
D'Kelle wrote:
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
SOE killed SWG, not players. Goons are good for Eve.


So why out of the thousands of subcribers CCP state they have as a playerbase do we only hear you goons stating that crap, you have obiously shouted it mantra style long enough to belive it yourselves, you are more like some of the nastier RL groups who advocate all sorts of mayhem and disregard for citizenscultures and different ways, and why simply because you dont like it well grow up boys, you want to fight miners then grow some and war dec em a corp at a time, and hey :) you can even hire your own allies now, seems like you obviously will need em as you obviously cant cannot compete in this game anymore any other way.

Aww, aren't you cute with your edgy insults which we've never, ever, seen before?

I don't suppose you'll put your money where your NPC mouth is, and invade, will you?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Adalun Dey
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#443 - 2012-06-17 22:57:59 UTC
23 pages on how CCP needs to deal with Goonswarm and Hulkageddon?

Let's keep this short and sweet, since the forums ate my last message before I could post it.

CCP needs to give Goonswarm more of a public forum to broadcast their events to the community. I'm sure there is nothing more discouraging to them, then putting all this time and effort into organizing engaging activities, such as Hulkageddon, only to notice that the levels of attendance are unsatisfactory low due to a lack of public exposure.

Still, Goonswarm is blessed with a fanbase that doesn't hesitate to post the same topics over and over ... and over again, usually in the form of a whiny uninspiring but apparently hugely popular and active thread that goes places, but CCP's support would certainly encourage other less visible corporations to do something of their own for the community as well.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#444 - 2012-06-17 23:19:49 UTC
Wherever Goons go, chaos sure is to follow. Delightful!

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Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#445 - 2012-06-17 23:34:15 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
Goonswarm is bot moon mining, bot ice mining and bot ore mining. They have enouph protection to be emmune from Hulkageddon so they decided to get rid of the high sec competition. CCP you need to take a hard stance against Goonswarm to save EVE and your jobs. I know this is a sandbox, but if the the sandbox fills up with **** you need to throw it out and get new sand.

Goonswarm what are you going to to do when only pirates are playing and the player base is so low EVE dies a slow death like Star Wars. The only reason you are so big is because of high sec and the carebears. Carebears give you and other pirates something to fight against. When carebears are gone who are you going to fight then? I think your going to be playing with yourself!!


Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die. Another game designer is going see that EVE is weak and create another similar game. When it does carebears and your pirate members are going to leave EVE in droves. When it does CCP and Goonswarm are going to be crying!


However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
Winston Churchill


If I remember correctly, Star Wars failed because they buckled to carebears and gave them everything they wanted. Same thing with EQ2 and so many other games. When the developer is bullied by bleating fools who feel they are so entitled to make so much with so little risk, it is the death knell of any game. It's because of carebears that some games have separate pvp servers. It's because of carebears that so many games allow you to go back and get your loot if you die rather than making death meaningful. It's carebears who stifle the economy by hoarding instead of injecting capital and by not being big enough consumers.

You know what, buddy? Eve has been around for much longer than almost any of the other MMO's out there. Little has changed in the way it's played at it's core, and also CCP has rarely changed their laissez faire policy when it comes to direct intervention into legal player driven activity. Eve is doing fine. It's healthy, and your probably addicted anyways and not going anywhere. Perhaps it's like an abusive relationship, where you get slapped around over and over but keep coming back. I do wonder though, on a scale of 1 to Chris Brown, how mad are you bro? The last time I really thought Eve was dying was after Incarna, and it's only gotten better.

Oh, and when you leave, can I have all your stuff? Sooner, rather than later. K thx bye.
Freezehunter
#446 - 2012-06-17 23:35:54 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
Goonswarm is bot moon mining, bot ice mining and bot ore mining. They have enouph protection to be emmune from Hulkageddon so they decided to get rid of the high sec competition. CCP you need to take a hard stance against Goonswarm to save EVE and your jobs. I know this is a sandbox, but if the the sandbox fills up with **** you need to throw it out and get new sand.

Goonswarm what are you going to to do when only pirates are playing and the player base is so low EVE dies a slow death like Star Wars. The only reason you are so big is because of high sec and the carebears. Carebears give you and other pirates something to fight against. When carebears are gone who are you going to fight then? I think your going to be playing with yourself!!


Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die. Another game designer is going see that EVE is weak and create another similar game. When it does carebears and your pirate members are going to leave EVE in droves. When it does CCP and Goonswarm are going to be crying!


However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
Winston Churchill


I thought the whole point of the swarm was to destroy Eve, was it not?

They are doing a pretty good job! :)

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Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
#447 - 2012-06-18 00:37:02 UTC
i'm a hisec miner and i love hulkagedddon.
#1 it makes mining more exciting.
#2 it made me make my own gank alts to get other miners
#3 i traded in 3 hulks + fits for 20 covetors+ fits, the shear number of covetors i have allows me to keep them at multiple systems and i move around more, more fun
#4 i don't buy that HAG is driving prices, and even if it was it would just make mining more profitable so why the whining?
#5 they are changing the mining barges and exhumers so we really do have gankers and HAG to thank for that, really the change will be great, i look forward to it!

i'm sorry you can't just get your hulk, log in for a few days a month get your plex and sit offline until next month time to get a plex, in the same belts, same systems and give the "mining is boring" mantra credit.
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#448 - 2012-06-18 01:31:28 UTC
Disregard That wrote:
Posting to confirm that there is plenty of time to gank a Hulk if it mines aligned and warps on neutral or red contact.


I highly doubt it takes 18 seconds for a Catalyst to appear on the overview, land on grid, lock and scramble it, because that's how long it takes for a hulk to warp.

If I recall correctly, eve if your aligned, if you're standing still, it doesn't really change the time to warp, does it?

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#449 - 2012-06-18 01:45:59 UTC
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
SOE killed SWG, not players. Goons are good for Eve.


I need to remind you of who is interested on CCP? P
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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#450 - 2012-06-18 01:46:09 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Drax Dremal wrote:
Goonswarm is bot moon mining, bot ice mining and bot ore mining. They have enouph protection to be emmune from Hulkageddon so they decided to get rid of the high sec competition. CCP you need to take a hard stance against Goonswarm to save EVE and your jobs. I know this is a sandbox, but if the the sandbox fills up with **** you need to throw it out and get new sand.

Goonswarm what are you going to to do when only pirates are playing and the player base is so low EVE dies a slow death like Star Wars. The only reason you are so big is because of high sec and the carebears. Carebears give you and other pirates something to fight against. When carebears are gone who are you going to fight then? I think your going to be playing with yourself!!


Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die. Another game designer is going see that EVE is weak and create another similar game. When it does carebears and your pirate members are going to leave EVE in droves. When it does CCP and Goonswarm are going to be crying!


However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
Winston Churchill


If I remember correctly, Star Wars failed because they buckled to carebears and gave them everything they wanted. Same thing with EQ2 and so many other games. When the developer is bullied by bleating fools who feel they are so entitled to make so much with so little risk, it is the death knell of any game. It's because of carebears that some games have separate pvp servers. It's because of carebears that so many games allow you to go back and get your loot if you die rather than making death meaningful. It's carebears who stifle the economy by hoarding instead of injecting capital and by not being big enough consumers.

You know what, buddy? Eve has been around for much longer than almost any of the other MMO's out there. Little has changed in the way it's played at it's core, and also CCP has rarely changed their laissez faire policy when it comes to direct intervention into legal player driven activity. Eve is doing fine. It's healthy, and your probably addicted anyways and not going anywhere. Perhaps it's like an abusive relationship, where you get slapped around over and over but keep coming back. I do wonder though, on a scale of 1 to Chris Brown, how mad are you bro? The last time I really thought Eve was dying was after Incarna, and it's only gotten better.

Oh, and when you leave, can I have all your stuff? Sooner, rather than later. K thx bye.


You know I'm as much a fan of 'death to carebears' as anyone else, but SWG failed because it was a **** game developed by a **** company who eventually turned it into a ****ty wow clone in space.



The OP who claims we're "bot moon mining" is pretty funny though. Doesn't even pass the basic game knowledge test. Lol

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#451 - 2012-06-18 02:57:27 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Eve is doing fine. It's healthy, and your probably addicted anyways and not going anywhere. Perhaps it's like an abusive relationship, where you get slapped around over and over but keep coming back. I do wonder though, on a scale of 1 to Chris Brown, how mad are you bro? The last time I really thought Eve was dying was after Incarna, and it's only gotten better.

Oh, and when you leave, can I have all your stuff? Sooner, rather than later. K thx bye.

This is an amazing post.

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Breezly Brewin
Vril Metaphysics Society
#452 - 2012-06-18 03:34:28 UTC
Ditra Vorthran wrote:
Disregard That wrote:
Posting to confirm that there is plenty of time to gank a Hulk if it mines aligned and warps on neutral or red contact.


I highly doubt it takes 18 seconds for a Catalyst to appear on the overview, land on grid, lock and scramble it, because that's how long it takes for a hulk to warp.

If I recall correctly, eve if your aligned, if you're standing still, it doesn't really change the time to warp, does it?


if you are aligned it's almost instant warp. but having a catalyst warp on top of you, confirm the criminal act warning and hit the warp scramble mod is also damn near instant as well.
Mascen Carew
Ordo Carnifex
#453 - 2012-06-18 03:56:52 UTC
I had unsubscribed my four paid accounts some time ago, in the last few months I’ve received numerous emails from CCP informing me of the changes to Eve and seeking to persuade me to re-subscribe. I relented principally because I enjoy the risk factor in Eve; I also enjoy mining but in reality mining should be an exercise in caution, hell life should be an exercise in caution. Now if what I've read is fact and if CCPhold true to their word the proposed changes to the Mining Exhumers and Barges will make life a little more interesting, also to my mind these changes should provide a better risk v's reward balance for both kamikaze [I dont like the word 'Gankers'] and miners .

Now as a side note I realise that some small service is preformed by kamikaze in ridding the belts of Bots operating in the Ice fields, however it is interesting to note that some of the corporations that the kamikaze belong to also use bots in Ice belts which tends to be just a tad hypocritical. There is however a certain justice in seeing aggrieved victims take punitive action so that their miners, haulers and freighters are the victims of kamikaze and destroyed in turn, such is life, working as intended Big smile.

In summary the simple solution for anyone suffering loss or taking exception to being the target of a Hi sec kamikaze is to identify their Hi sec Alts and Corporations associated with the kamikaze and render biblical justice, an eye for an eye so to speak, make Hi Sec Unsafe for them, disrupt their supply chains, make life more interesting for all concerned.

Cheers, just my two Bobs worth
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
Stealth Alliance
#454 - 2012-06-18 04:01:03 UTC
Another C U Next Tuesday OP

Damn nature, you scary!
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#455 - 2012-06-18 04:24:21 UTC
Breezly Brewin wrote:
most instant warp. but having a catalyst warp on top of you, confirm the criminal act warning and hit the warp scramble mod is also damn near instant as well.


It's only instant warp if you're already moving at 70ish % speed. If you're standing still (like miners generally need to be to do their jobs), it takes time to cycle up to that speed, even if your aligned.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#456 - 2012-06-18 06:24:01 UTC
If they're standing still, they're not aligned.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#457 - 2012-06-18 09:05:17 UTC
Freezehunter wrote:
Drax Dremal wrote:
Goonswarm is bot moon mining, bot ice mining and bot ore mining. They have enouph protection to be emmune from Hulkageddon so they decided to get rid of the high sec competition. CCP you need to take a hard stance against Goonswarm to save EVE and your jobs. I know this is a sandbox, but if the the sandbox fills up with **** you need to throw it out and get new sand.

Goonswarm what are you going to to do when only pirates are playing and the player base is so low EVE dies a slow death like Star Wars. The only reason you are so big is because of high sec and the carebears. Carebears give you and other pirates something to fight against. When carebears are gone who are you going to fight then? I think your going to be playing with yourself!!


Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die. Another game designer is going see that EVE is weak and create another similar game. When it does carebears and your pirate members are going to leave EVE in droves. When it does CCP and Goonswarm are going to be crying!


However beautiful the strategy, you should occasionally look at the results.
Winston Churchill


I thought the whole point of the swarm was to destroy Eve, was it not?

They are doing a pretty good job! :)


Not the game but to destroy your game.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#458 - 2012-06-18 09:26:46 UTC
Hulkageddon is a valid player initiative.

Ganking is a valid playstyle option, I'd simply like to make it less of a spreadsheet exercise in risk and challenges (which provides ample profit making opportunities and can simply be "managed") whilst validating the other side of the coin in terms of abilties to react to these effects and having mechanics that help support those capabilities to help validate (maybe not complete) the "sandbox" claim.



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For PvP and like to encourage more of it? Or perhaps you are an industrialist with a specific focus in game not directly concerned with PvP skilling to be effective at your role and therefore ineffective to apply teeth in response to criminal activities?

Want to validate a potential Career path in ≡v≡ with new income potential that is ideally designed as simply a transferance of ISK from one pilot to another?

Actually like situations where ships shoot back and "really" improve your KB resume as opposed to simply suprising soft industrial targets?

You agree that pilots should adapt to challenging situations in ≡v≡ where acceptance of risk is an everyday seperator of those getting ahead on the curve, criminals included, to ensure the game evolves instead of being kept dumbed down?

Or simply want to make ≡v≡ less boring with adding more fun and challenging gameplay elements?

Would like to see CCP finally correct a long standing (2003) broken mechanic in the game which at best provides an exploit for the effected criminal party to profit further from and yet has been left in the game still?


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Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#459 - 2012-06-18 09:37:05 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
high sec competition.
That was funny Lol
+1 for the lol.

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Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#460 - 2012-06-19 16:44:22 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Then they really do have something wrong with their head. Really, i think i've lost hope in humanity, even if it's "just a video game."

The fact of the matter is that these people with power ARE trying to justify being dicks to others. The only way to stop them is by being a bigger **** and hurting them even more emotionally, but really, who wants to be such a hated entity, certainly not me.

This game allows married men(or basement nerds) do what they are afraid of doing in RL because of consequences. "It's not real" is not an excuse, because you are still dealing with real people. You certainly wouldn't kill, wouldn't gang up or steal for "lulz" in RL, why do it in the game ? Given the state of this game/forum i'll think of everyone as a cutthroat mug who is after personal satisfaction.

I joined this game because it WAS full of mature people(literally, no teenagers) but it seems the teenagers grew up and are now dictating how everyone should play.

You may be onto something. I may be the way I am today from taking to many hits to the head, think Muhamed Ali. May explain why I'm such a pacifist in the game.

Although I'm more inclined to believe that it's got soemtihng to do with being so lazy that I can't be bothered to push all those keys and such to do PvP, and you wrote a bunch of bullshit.

And I live in a basement. I'ts nice. It's dark, damp, has a slight musty odor to it. Reminds me of being under a bridge. It's comforting and relaxing. It's a much nicer place to live then up my own *******; I'm not sure how you manage that.