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CCP needs to take a hard look at Goonswarm and Hulkageddon to save EVE.
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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#341 - 2012-05-31 19:44:03 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Running dscan constantly is one of the ways CCP Sreegs can catch bots with. Let them spam predictable patterns. Then they will smarten up and randomize + slow down scans and then appropriate PvPers will take them in the buttocks.

Actually, what you meant to say is, "Doing anything carebear-related in nullsec will be an indication it's a bot if local disappears".

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Tallian Saotome
Nuclear Arms Exchange Inc.
#342 - 2012-05-31 19:48:10 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Running dscan constantly is one of the ways CCP Sreegs can catch bots with. Let them spam predictable patterns. Then they will smarten up and randomize + slow down scans and then appropriate PvPers will take them in the buttocks.

Most humanlike action in that situation would actually be to hit the button to often, but still in a random pattern.

Bots can time this to get the most out of it.

Inappropriate signature removed, CCP Phantom.
Haulie Berry
#343 - 2012-05-31 19:55:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Haulie Berry
Tallian Saotome wrote:

Overview, perhaps? You can see someone warping in at least 2 seconds before they can start locking you. Thats MORE than enough time to warp a pre-aligned ship, and there is no reason NOT to be pre-aligned. Either while ratting or mining.

Do it that way and you have your align time of vulnerability ever half hour or so.

And cloaks won't help, since they kill your lock time, making it that much easier for your prey to warp out.

Oh, and how do you FIND the bot without local? Its one thing to police a WH, its another to police 1000+ nullsec systems.


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Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#344 - 2012-05-31 20:00:48 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I am not really talking specifically about a player relaying intel, but more about the vast amount of intel they are able to relay with extremely little effort in gaining said intel.


What "vast" intel are we talking about here?


The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#345 - 2012-05-31 20:05:15 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.

What's the problem?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Il Feytid
State War Academy
Caldari State
#346 - 2012-05-31 20:09:38 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.

What's the problem?


It rewards the lazy.
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#347 - 2012-05-31 20:10:17 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Snow Axe wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
I am not really talking specifically about a player relaying intel, but more about the vast amount of intel they are able to relay with extremely little effort in gaining said intel.


What "vast" intel are we talking about here?


The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.


That's not vast intelligence. Vast intelligence would be having the slightest clue what we plan on doing, what that fleet is around for, is it on its way back or on its way out, who are we going to fight, how are we gettting there, etc etc. THAT'S the intel that matters. Everything you mentioned is largely superficial, and a lot of times static (staging systems, etc).

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#348 - 2012-05-31 20:11:47 UTC
Marlona Sky wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Marlona Sky wrote:
The fact that you can pinpoint the exact system, general location, ship types, alliance, corp, specific pilots, ect all in a matter of just a few seconds. All done with a shuttle even.

What's the problem?


It rewards the lazy.

Really? How?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Little Brat
Provincia Septim Reborn
#349 - 2012-05-31 20:14:36 UTC
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Twulf
Thunder Clap Industry
#350 - 2012-05-31 21:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Twulf
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
SOE killed SWG, not players. Goons are good for Eve.


SOE did not kill SWG, another uninformed idiot. No surprise really.

Lucas Arts owns all rights to anything Star Wars. They demanded SOE change SWG to make it more popular and get WOW like numbers. Those are the facts. Blame who ever you want but stop lying about who really is to blame.

Do you have to try this hard to be this stupid or does it come naturally?
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#351 - 2012-05-31 21:15:36 UTC
Degren wrote:
Drax Dremal wrote:
They have enouph protection to be emune from Hulkageddon


Drax Dremal wrote:
enouph protection to be emune


Drax Dremal wrote:
enouph


Drax Dremal wrote:
emune


Straight



Aye.

Not sure what emune is, but sounds cool. Can it be eaten?

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#352 - 2012-05-31 21:16:56 UTC
Twulf wrote:
[quote=Trendon Evenstar]
Locus Arts



lol

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
Twulf
Thunder Clap Industry
#353 - 2012-05-31 21:34:54 UTC
Welsige wrote:
Twulf wrote:
[quote=Trendon Evenstar]
Locus Arts



lol


Blame public schools.
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#354 - 2012-05-31 21:38:09 UTC
Scott Ryder wrote:
Quartzlight Evenstar Icefluxor wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
EVE, no rule against greifing.
Incorrect. Griefing is not allowed in EVE per EULA ยง7g.



True. In 2 years I reported idiots 3 times only for Griefing.

I apparently do not have any idea what Griefing means though. Not a clue. I'll just leave it at that.



However, when isk is the goal it is not griefing, it's regular gameplay and nothing else.

People dont seem to understand that the only reason goonswarm is doing this is that they profit massivly on tech sales when hulks are on demand.


The profits are a welcome side effect.

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#355 - 2012-05-31 23:11:18 UTC
Kiteo Hatto wrote:
Quote:
I know this is a sandbox, but if the the sandbox fills up with **** you need to throw it out and get new sand.


Its a sandbox where only bullies are allowed to play, everyone else gets told to "adapt" to their way. The irony of it being "the sandbox" game.

You can only build your sandcastles by being a bigger bully it seems.


Joined this game when the community was mature and helpful, its a different game apart from core story now.
It would seem someone has mistaken "King of the hill" for "the sandbox".
Sejania Tor
Dog Nation
#356 - 2012-06-01 00:04:55 UTC
Trendon Evenstar wrote:
SOE killed SWG, not players. Goons are good for Eve.



I have to disagree on killing it. They didn't just kill it, they mutilated it and toyed with it like the Saw movies. As for Goons being
good for EvE. I couldn't agree more. Quite a few of you complain and scream Goons are killing EvE, Mittens is ebil....blah blah. He hammered home some really good fixes as the Chairman. Is it true that Goons are the major running block of power right now. Yeah, I can agree on that. But this is EvE, someone is always going to be the big dogs.
Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#357 - 2012-06-01 16:24:43 UTC
CCP does not care.
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#358 - 2012-06-01 16:50:39 UTC
Companies care for all their customers equally.

But if you never worked in a customer oriented business you wouldn't know that.
Musashi IV
Off-World Mining
#359 - 2012-06-02 00:13:35 UTC
CCP just does not care about carebears!!
ChYph3r
A Murder Of Crows.
Homicidal Tendencies.
#360 - 2012-06-02 00:17:07 UTC
Drax Dremal wrote:
Goonswarm is bot moon mining, bot ice mining and bot ore mining. They have enouph protection to be emmune from Hulkageddon so they decided to get rid of the high sec competition. CCP you need to take a hard stance against Goonswarm to save EVE and your jobs. I know this is a sandbox, but if the the sandbox fills up with **** you need to throw it out and get new sand.

Goonswarm what are you going to to do when only pirates are playing and the player base is so low EVE dies a slow death like Star Wars. The only reason you are so big is because of high sec and the carebears. Carebears give you and other pirates something to fight against. When carebears are gone who are you going to fight then? I think your going to be playing with yourself!!


Goonswarm do you think EVE cant die? I played in Star Wars from its start until it died. At its high point it was way more popular than EVE will ever be. We thought it could never die. Another game designer is going see that EVE is weak and create another similar game. When it does carebears and your pirate members are going to leave EVE in droves. When it does CCP and Goonswarm are going to be crying!


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