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Federation Day YC114 June 16th

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Alain Colcer
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#1 - 2012-05-30 14:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alain Colcer
Every year we are reminded of the great lengths our shared society has advanced since we were denizens of a single planet, our government is now present across interstellar distances, bringing together cultures and people to share an ideal. To celebrate that ideal, to promote it, to renew our conviction, we will celebrate once again Federation Day this coming june 16th.

On Federation Day, a series of events will take place around Dodixie IX - Moon 20 - Federation Navy Assembly Plant

SHIP PARADE - FEDERATION PRIDE

A classic returns!, bring your preferred Fed Navy camo-painted ship! Or maybe you have some high-tech marvel to show to the audience? Whatever your style, if its gallente of course, this is the place to show it off.
We will execute the famous conga maneuver around the space station and hope to make the line so large to rival the size of a moon!.

((OOC: we recommend all pilots to fit multiple plate extenders or shield tanking modules to prevent would-be gankers to ruin your day)).


SEXIEST FEMALE CAPSULEER

Federation citizens, regardless of their gender, bloodline or origin, often go to great lengths to be the most attractive, handsome, or just plain gorgeous person around.
This year we will held the contest for the sexiest female profile picture for a capsuleer! Are you a diva? A sex-symbol? A busty goddess? Do you like using tight shirts? Or show some cleaveage? submit your picture now!.
The winner will be decided by popular choice and awarded a brand new Fed Navy Vexor, 2nd and 3rd finalists will be awarded a brand new Fed Navy Comet.

((OOC: to enter the contest you only need to post in this same thread. The matching picture in the forums will be used to decide the winner. For those of you voting, please submit your vote in this same thread after June 12th))

EDIT: new contestants will be admitted up to June 16th 18:00 eve time.


NEW EVENT: SEXIES MALE CAPSULEER

Given the interest in holding a male beauty contest, and with the help of Monsieur Andreus Ixiris and Madmoiselle Kalaratiri we will also be holding the Mister Federation contest this year.

The winner will receive a Federation Navy Vexor thanks to the sponsorship of fellow QCATS member, X Gallentius.

((OOC: to enter the contest you only need to post in this same thread. The matching picture in the forums will be used to decide the winner. For those of you voting, please submit your vote in this same thread after June 12th))

EDIT: new contestants will be admitted up to June 16th 18:00 eve time.



FIREWORKS

We are looking for a team of individuals who can create the best firework show, a rather belligerent one using missiles, but as the saying goes beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There is no restriction to ship design, any can be used, as long as there is a magnificent display of lights and explosions. The individuals who would like to take up on the opportunity will earn 200mill ISK and can only be eligible if they submit, by evemail, a list of 5 individuals all employed by the same corporation, only capsuleer corporations are valid. The show must be no longer than 10mins and no less than 5mins.

((OOC: the idea is that with the new and improved missile graphics, a group of pilots can make a coordinated launch of several missiles types and sizes to create a lightshow to captivate the audience, payment will be delivered after the show, only 1 application for the job will be accepted))


Hope to see you all on June 16th for another year full of surprises, bring your preferred liquor, exotic dancer and be prepared to party hard.

((OOC:
Quantum Cats Syndicate pilot Alain Colcer will be performing as Host of these events. If you have questions or desire more information please send an evemail directly

For reference to past celebrations visit these links:
http://community.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1502972 (2011)
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/1321978 (2010)
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1091247 (2009)
http://www.eve-search.com/thread/536217 (2007)

News Item in YC109 (2007)
http://community.eveonline.com/news.asp?a=single&nid=1488&tid=5
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Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2012-05-30 21:46:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aelisha
I cannot say I am surprised that this tawdry exultation of second rate naval vessels and disgusting, sexist objectification of women is the chosen method for celebrating the Federation, but I am disappointed. Not even a cursory attempt at keeping up with the oft touted, little practiced 'cultural diversity' of the Federation - notably missing even Jin-Mei and Intaki influences.

Still, I guess this flagrant display of primitive gender discrimination and military horn blowing is more palatable than the usual saccharine nonsense the Federal Authorities publish. Maybe you can roll a few fine cigars using ignored petition papers or light them off of the remains of the next public execution (in which you allow the masses to commit murder in at least the second degree)?

However, in the 'spirit of unity' I hope you enjoy this baseless revel. Anesthesia regarding the decrepit state of Federation social policy and cultural education programs is much needed in these trying times apparently.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Mjalnar Gessenier
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-30 22:06:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Mjalnar Gessenier
Aelisha wrote:
I cannot say I am surprised that this tawdry exultation of second rate naval vessels and disgusting, sexist objectification of women is the chosen method for celebrating the federation, but I am disappointed. Not even a cursory attempt at keeping up with the oft touted, little practiced 'cultural diversity' of the Federation - notably missing even Jin-Mei and Intaki influences.

Still, I guess this flagrant display of primitive gender discrimination and military horn blowing is more palatable than the usual saccharine nonsense the Federal Authorities publish. Maybe you can roll a few fine cigars using ignored petition papers or light them off of the remains of the next public execution (in which you allow the masses to commit murder in at least the second degree)?

However, in the 'spirit of unity' I hope you enjoy this baseless revel. Anesthesia regarding the decrepit state of Federation social policy and cultural education programs is much needed in these trying times apparently.


Well, that's what makes the Federation great - even with the blustering, apoplectic outbursts of faux outrage you demonstrate - we can celebrate the freedoms and liberties we enjoy in any manner we deem fit to enjoy without having to ensure we all remain in lockstep to the jackboot cadences of the Caldari Providence Directorate.

Although I would dare say that whatever Provist counter-factual pamphlet you lifted that from may be a few years out of date. Indeed, Federal social policy and cultural education was in a decrepit state under the Administration of Progressive Liberals such as former President Foiritain. However, the decadent and corrupt bourgeois liberalism of the Progressives that have bled the Federation white for almost a century are not the policies of men such as President Jacus Roden or Senator Mentas Blaque who truly understand that the rights and cultural heritage of all citizens in the Federation are to be cherished and protected.
Aelisha
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2012-05-30 22:17:55 UTC
You seem to be under the impression I am making these observations as a continuing participant in your decaying nation. In fact your Provist allusions are off the mark but more accurate, as I have been a State citizen via Sukuuvesta sponsorship for the last five years and an Outer region capsuleer before that.

Defend sexist debauches and compensatory machismo all you like, this is a shameful display of how far the Federation has fallen. I may have washed my hands of such hypocrisy soaked 'freedom', but contrary to popular belief, criticism of the depraved, disrespectful and the wasteful is a right that is practiced and cherished in the State.

Feel free to continue waving your true colours if it makes you feel better, but most of us knew that your 'civil liberties' only work when they laud the mess you live in already. By all means, broadcast this 'guns, **** and twits' image to every corner of the cluster - there are some shaky Fed patriots who retain the values of discipline and self-respect and could do with the push into more respectable nations.

CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange

Intaki Reborn

Independent Capsuleer

Mjalnar Gessenier
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-05-30 22:49:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Mjalnar Gessenier
Aelisha wrote:
You seem to be under the impression I am making these observations as a continuing participant in your decaying nation. In fact your Provist allusions are off the mark but more accurate, as I have been a State citizen via Sukuuvesta sponsorship for the last five years and an Outer region capsuleer before that.

Defend sexist debauches and compensatory machismo all you like, this is a shameful display of how far the Federation has fallen. I may have washed my hands of such hypocrisy soaked 'freedom', but contrary to popular belief, criticism of the depraved, disrespectful and the wasteful is a right that is practiced and cherished in the State.

Feel free to continue waving your true colours if it makes you feel better, but most of us knew that your 'civil liberties' only work when they laud the mess you live in already. By all means, broadcast this 'guns, **** and twits' image to every corner of the cluster - there are some shaky Fed patriots who retain the values of discipline and self-respect and could do with the push into more respectable nations.


Bravo, you know I didn't think the delusional liberalism of Caillean Fine Arts Graduates were lines of continuity that could be integrated into the integral nationalism of the Caldari Volk that State Executor Tibus Heth and his Provists are always proud to expropriate upon. Then again, both share the empty facet of jingoism so I shouldn't be surprised at all that you have somehow managed to do so.

No, I'm not defending sexism, misogyny or machismo but rather the freedom and right for others to do so (Although in this case it is but a matter of perspective). For I am unsure as to what conception of freedom and liberty you currently operate from, but the provisions of liberty does at times mean that others may speak or act in manners that one may disagree with or find unacceptable according to ones own specific worldview. I don't agree with everything my fellow citizens say or do, but I do agree they should be able to do so without restriction or I would be a hypocrite.

Yes, I'll feel free to wave my own true colours as a Patriot and a Democratic Socialist because unlike so many that languish under the tyranny of the Caldari Providence Directorate I am free to do so.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#6 - 2012-05-30 22:52:56 UTC
Petty arguments aside, I do wish a safe and enjoyable celebration to those that attend this event.

Despite my personal reservations against some of the themes pointed out by Pilot Aelisha, and the cultural war of words going on above me... I think what's important here is that this celebration remains one of levity.

There's darker things in space than mere cultural differences. Watch yourselves.

Katrina Oniseki

Che Biko
Alexylva Paradox
#7 - 2012-05-31 12:07:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Che Biko
Sadly I will not be attending this time, as I have other obligations, but there's no race this time, so I guess I'm not missing much.P

Anyway, I wish those celebrating my former home clear skies.

Peace,

-Ché Biko
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-31 13:30:01 UTC
Once again, it is time to gather together and celebrate the Federation. This year has been successful and prosperous, people both in space and on the planetary surfaces are happy, and why shouldn't they be? They have a unique chance to be part of the largest democratic society in the cluster: it is a community where everyone is free and equal, where people can express their personality and forge their own path to wealth and riches. It is pleasant that more and more people have come to enjoy from the light of this vision during the last year.

When it comes to the sexism allegations regarding the beauty contest, one must remember that these questions have generally not been a issue in the Gallentean culture. Why shouldn't women be free to show their feminine side, or even be proud of it? There are natural differences between the male and female gender, and we should use these differences to our pleasure, rather than try to downplay or hide them. Although this year women got the lucky card, I don't see why someone could not organize a corresponding contest for males some other time.
Bastian Valoron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-31 14:08:13 UTC
Mjalnar Gessenier wrote:
Although I would dare say that whatever Provist counter-factual pamphlet you lifted that from may be a few years out of date. Indeed, Federal social policy and cultural education was in a decrepit state under the Administration of Progressive Liberals such as former President Foiritain. However, the decadent and corrupt bourgeois liberalism of the Progressives that have bled the Federation white for almost a century are not the policies of men such as President Jacus Roden or Senator Mentas Blaque who truly understand that the rights and cultural heritage of all citizens in the Federation are to be cherished and protected.

As much as I hate to derail the discussion, for the sake of audience, I must make a comment regarding the inaccurate statement by Mssr. Gessanier.

During President Foiritan's term of service, the responsibility of cultural education shifted from the public sector to the families and communities themselves. Families and communities are the source and origin of all culture and customs, and they generally have the knowledge and incentives to do what is best for the children. They have the best capacity to respond to the regional nuances and keep up with the gradual evolution of the culture towards higher and higher sophistication. One could make the same observation regarding the social policies.

The outcome of Foiritan's policies was an increase in people's freedom to choose, and an equal increase in the free office space on the Federal Administration stations. In the hindsight, this has seemed to be a good choice. The new graduates seem to be as culture conscious as before, and our society stands as strong as ever.

However, due to the ongoing war, I do see the value of President Roden's efforts to introduce new and different policies. Although they may cause us some temporary inconvenience, they are necessary for the duration of the conflict. Once the assault against our culture and way of life has been defeated, we can set our priorities again from another perspective.
Alain Colcer
Nadire Security Consultants
Federation Peacekeepers
#10 - 2012-05-31 15:13:00 UTC
Although i do appreciate the attention my humble invitation has spurred, it would suit better to just leave this discussion as a place for individuals to confirm or not their involvement in the event.

Also it seems appropiate to clear up some points, there is no restriction in bloodline or race if you wish to participate in the sexiest female capsuleer contest. Madmoiselle Aelisha is welcomed to compete if she wishes, but something tells me this kind of events are not of her preference.

I'm still looking for a capable team of pilots who can create a firework show using missile launchers of various types.

See you in space
Alain Colcer
Mjalnar Gessenier
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-31 15:36:08 UTC
Bastian Valoron wrote:

As much as I hate to derail the discussion, for the sake of audience, I must make a comment regarding the inaccurate statement by Mssr. Gessanier.


Inaccurate? Come now, Monsieur Valoron, the Progressives have always sought to put their knife to not only education but also health, welfare and defense all in the name of minimizing the Federal apparatus and economic stimulation. Do not think that the savings of budgetary cuts to social policy and defense that always appeared to somehow line the pockets of the lobbyists that men such as former President Foiritain kept in his coterie for services rendered went unnoticed. Even if now, in retrospect, the amendment to the constitution that Foiritain pushed through with the assistance of his Senate mercenaries does now permit President Roden to hold the office he has been so effective in for as long as the citizens of the Federation deem fit to keep him there.

But, ah yes, with respect to Monsieur Colcer my apologies such discussion is perhaps better held at another time and another place.

Perhaps next year you should hold a sexiest man in the Federation contest, hmm? I'm curious as to what vile conspiracy such a decision may point to with the Federation's detractors.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2012-05-31 21:48:24 UTC
Bastian Valoron wrote:
Families and communities are the source and origin of all culture and customs, and they generally have the knowledge and incentives to do what is best for the children. They have the best capacity to respond to the regional nuances and keep up with the gradual evolution of the culture towards higher and higher sophistication. One could make the same observation regarding the social policies.


Really ? I find that highly illogical. Families and cultures are by their very definition part of the masses, and the masses have an average expertise on specific things - be it education, science, whatever - that usually varies from decent to very poor.

If you are willing to continue on that subject, I will gladly open a new thread on the question as requested above.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-06-01 11:03:10 UTC
Mjalnar Gessenier wrote:
Perhaps next year you should hold a sexiest man in the Federation contest, hmm?


Why wait until next year?

I'll judge it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#14 - 2012-06-01 11:35:22 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Mjalnar Gessenier wrote:
Perhaps next year you should hold a sexiest man in the Federation contest, hmm?


Why wait until next year?

I'll judge it.


I'll help.

She's mad but she's magic, there's no lie in her fire.

This is possibly one of the worst threads in the history of these forums.  - CCP Falcon

I don't remember when last time you said something that wasn't either dumb or absurd. - Diana Kim

Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-06-01 12:41:11 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:


Really ? I find that highly illogical. Families and cultures are by their very definition part of the masses, and the masses have an average expertise on specific things - be it education, science, whatever - that usually varies from decent to very poor.

If you are willing to continue on that subject, I will gladly open a new thread on the question as requested above.


A community is a collective of persons working together toward the benefit of one another, toward a specific outcome, or under a specific belief. The family is the single smallest unit of community and therefore the core.

Culture has nothing to do with the masses and is, more accurately, the way of life in a community.

~Malcolm Khross

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#16 - 2012-06-01 15:08:40 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:


Really ? I find that highly illogical. Families and cultures are by their very definition part of the masses, and the masses have an average expertise on specific things - be it education, science, whatever - that usually varies from decent to very poor.

If you are willing to continue on that subject, I will gladly open a new thread on the question as requested above.


A community is a collective of persons working together toward the benefit of one another, toward a specific outcome, or under a specific belief. The family is the single smallest unit of community and therefore the core.

Culture has nothing to do with the masses and is, more accurately, the way of life in a community.


Without any offense Khross-haan, I suggest that you read again what I wrote.

Mr Valoron said that Families and communities are the source and origin of all culture and customs, and this is what you stated yourself too. I never said the contrary, and actually used it as my base premise.

He also stated that they generally have the knowledge and incentives to do what is best for the children. They have the best capacity to respond to the regional nuances and keep up with the gradual evolution of the culture towards higher and higher sophistication. One could make the same observation regarding the social policies.

I respectfuly disagree with such nonsense. Masses, communities, families, that are by definition not specialized in education, can not be what is best for the children. Unless what you consider best for them is to be educated by ignorants. This is also why schools and universities were created at some point in history.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-06-01 16:12:45 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:


Without any offense Khross-haan, I suggest that you read again what I wrote.

Mr Valoron said that Families and communities are the source and origin of all culture and customs, and this is what you stated yourself too. I never said the contrary, and actually used it as my base premise.


You stated, and I quote "families and cultures are by their very definition part of the masses," which is false. I read what you wrote, it may not have been what you were trying to portray.

Lyn Farel wrote:
He also stated that they generally have the knowledge and incentives to do what is best for the children. They have the best capacity to respond to the regional nuances and keep up with the gradual evolution of the culture towards higher and higher sophistication. One could make the same observation regarding the social policies.

I respectfuly disagree with such nonsense. Masses, communities, families, that are by definition not specialized in education, can not be what is best for the children. Unless what you consider best for them is to be educated by ignorants. This is also why schools and universities were created at some point in history.


I respectfully offer that you do not understand the basis of his argument. You are referring to formal education, he is referring to cultural identification and societal integration. A university teaches neither of these things, if it did, it would cease to be an institution of education and become and institution of indoctrination.

You also claim that simply because a family may not be specialized in education it cannot know what is best for the children, this is inherently an incomplete argument. A university does not raise children, it does not teach them who they are. A university does not care for them when they are wounded, it does not identify with them on a personal level, a family does. In this way, the family knows what is best for the child and a child will develop more completely because of this identity.


~Malcolm Khross

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#18 - 2012-06-01 18:47:36 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:


You stated, and I quote "families and cultures are by their very definition part of the masses," which is false. I read what you wrote, it may not have been what you were trying to portray.


How so is that false ? What we call masses is the large majority of a given population. The average. By definition, families and cultures are part of the masses and what constitutes them, for most of them. The rest are minorities.

Malcolm Khross wrote:


I respectfully offer that you do not understand the basis of his argument. You are referring to formal education, he is referring to cultural identification and societal integration. A university teaches neither of these things, if it did, it would cease to be an institution of education and become and institution of indoctrination.

You also claim that simply because a family may not be specialized in education it cannot know what is best for the children, this is inherently an incomplete argument. A university does not raise children, it does not teach them who they are. A university does not care for them when they are wounded, it does not identify with them on a personal level, a family does. In this way, the family knows what is best for the child and a child will develop more completely because of this identity.


Then I must have indeed misunderstood. My apologies.

However, a university teaches neither of these things, yes, but it could. A non negligeable part of parents are just not qualified to raise children and integrate them.

Also, an university teaching to a child who he is, or the parents doing it, does not make a lot of difference. In both cases, it is indoctrination. And we see it in a lot of families. A lot of children do not decide which way they want to go, their parents do it for them. I do not see how it is different. The only reason parents are needed for the good upbringing of children is for the necessary emotionnal attachement in the early stages.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#19 - 2012-06-01 19:11:00 UTC
Good luck, being something of an enthusiast of Federation technology, the conga event might very well be something enjoyable for me. I also don't get to fly an ishtar or Navy dominix nearly enough. One question though, are designs with parts inspired by federation technology like the Rattlesnake or Vindicator permitted?
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-06-01 19:14:02 UTC
Farel,

It is impossible for me to take you seriously any longer. I have done all I can to engage in civil and reasonable discourse with you but I am either entirely unclear or you are incapable of comprehending. You seem more interested in debating semantics than understanding a point made.

That you consider yourself eligible to judge who is and who is not worthy to raise children is the epitome of self-absorbed arrogance. There is more to being a parent than being an emotional attachment and there is a difference between indoctrination and familial identity, that you cannot even grasp this basic principle is disgraceful to me.

You believe yourself to have achieved a higher state of learning but you have forsaken the purpose of learning. You believe yourself to be intellectual but you sacrifice the whole for a part. This is the last I will respond to you, the superior mind seeks not guidance or wisdom, only validation.

~Malcolm Khross

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