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Daesul ShadoWind
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-05-31 10:59:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Daesul ShadoWind
The drunk, immature adult sitting back enjoying the sand castle getting stomped is what they are!

That being said, They may own the sandbox, But there not your parents.
If your going to cry, get out of the sandbox, dry those tears and give it another try.

Only way this drunken immature adult will get involved is if you try to break the sandbox or keep the other kids from playing in it as well. You let them build there sand castles... and then you smash them. =D
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-05-31 17:27:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Jafit wrote:
Highsec dwellers are under-represented in the CSM because living in highsec doesn't require them to pay the slightest bit of attention to the game, its community, or its development. They don't have to work together with other players in order to function. Nullsec entities have the organisational infrastructure in place to organise candidates and turn out to vote. That's how democracy works, if you don't like that then you're going to be so mad when you find out how your government got into power. .


it doesn't matter how it happned that the high sec majority has become under represented.. it's a fact. Pure democracy doesn't work. Tyranny is just as common under pure democracy as monarchy.

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The CSM has nerfed and spat on highsec? How? In the widely acclaimed crucible expansion? In removing insurance payouts for ships lost to Concord? Removing drone poop from nullsec drone regions in order to try to unfuck the mineral market and make mining a viable activity again? Or are you going to take the recent incursion nerf as an attack on highsec, not realising that they nerfed all incursions and that nobody does them anymore, even in nullsec.


For the longest time we've heard the whinning mantra coming from the null sec CSM..about how high sec risk for reward is "broken".. and nerfs followed. The things you point to are not boons for high sec as much as they are for all of eve particularly for null sec... but lets count the stupidity shall we: nerf to high sec PI to the point it's pointless. Taxes are so high that one player with full skills and a reasonable set up on 6 planets can make 14 million isk in 30 days (liberal est) if he works really hard at it. Grav sites are near extinct in high sec.. and when you do find them they are so anemically small as to make less money than a small mission belt. Incursions in high sec were oh sooo profitable so they were nerfed as well. ...and the cries still go out on removing ice from high sec, on removing level 4 missions from high sec, the null sec CSM even tried to say that wornhole space was a conduit for high seccers ninja mining ABC and bringing it to high sec to get a nerf there (fortunately the lies were exposed before the nerf bat struck). Again this is due to the lie that if you crush high sec people will move to null sec. It's not true.

The truth of the matter is the risk in high sec is greater than your propaganda mechine will ever admit. There is no valid justification for the wide disparity in earning power between null sec and the rest of the galaxy.

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That said, if you don't acknowledge that the proportion of risk vs reward is incredibly broken in highsec, then you have your head up your ass. I joined just after the Exodus expansion which introduced level 4 missions. there was an exodus alright, from nullsec to highsec, because why bother trying to make money with all that risk when you can do it in highsec in safety? So in my opinion the risk/reward structure has to be corrected, and that means lower rewards in highsec than in nullsec. I don't care if you personally just can't deal with the risk and you want to live in highsec, that's fine, but those who want to take some risks should get higher rewards for doing so. If I do a forsaken hub anomoly, or go belt ratting in an effective -1.0 system, I can get about 6m isk ticks in an easilly replaceable apoc with T1 lasers. It has to be replacable because I could lose it if a neutral or red comes into the system and tacles me. Contrast that to the kind of ticks could I expect doing level 4 missions in perfect safety..


Yes, I do not. but my head is looking at your asinine post. You sir have your head high on propaganda and class warfare. I joined before exodus and I have watched this mess for a long time. I did live in null sec for years. I am not going to regale you with my exeriance because personally I don't care about you. The risk you talk about is every bit as great elsewhere in eve. The high sec majority have to deal with it every day. The market , gankers, wardeccs, corp thiefs, other groups that are more fleet of foot stealing their opportunity.. these things present, undeniable risks that are common.

You sit here on your 100's of millions an hour high horse talking about how some poor noob in high sec can make 6 million in a combat plex? really? Yes, the risk is greater in null sec.. but the reward is so very much greater as to be out of wack. So yes, the reward needs to be corrected..it needs to be brought back to high sec and gutted some more from your null sec home.

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I'd love to believe the little picture you paint of the old guard of established highsec dwellers that were here happily frolicking in the asteroid belts before an invasion of 'nullsec players' descended on the game, it's so cute. I'll also resist getting into a pissing contest about who has the earliest signup date. I'd like to believe that these highsec players have actually experienced all that this game has to offer and have chosen the path that's most fun for them, but I know that they haven't. They've entered the game, done the tutorial which showed them how to shoot red crosses in highsec, then they just continued shooting red crosses in highsec, oblivious to the world around them. However the majority of nullsec players have fully experienced life in highsec at some point, I know I have, and I would never willingly go back to it.


Make fun, laugh and demonize..that's what you are good at and at the end of the day your campaign to undermine high sec and 80% of the player base through lies, decite, and ridicule has worked..who am I to argue. but you are not any more elite than the poor noob you castigated for making a whopping 6 million earlier. I have experianced both high sec and null sec fully. My original post stands.

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