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Still not quite a coup d'etat yet for all lost functionality, but this would be a huge improvement if these changes accomplish what they say they will."



First, wow, there will be a "compact and separate mode" now? Yes indeed. This already sounds like a huge improvement and I don't even know what it means.

But if it should mean that hangars will soon open in separate, persistent, tree-less windows - I could kiss somebody.

I still might.

But. And its a big ole' "buttt." It sounds like we're still going to be navigating the tree and squinting and scrolling to find the divisions to drag out. I won't be using keyboard shortcuts. No shift-clicking for Yonis. Permanent shortcuts (preferably part of the station, locked at the bottom of the neocom - where they were prior) should really be reinstated for the ship and station hangars, which also open in this snazzy-sounding "persistent, compact and separate mode."

(Man, I love typing those words!)

A corp hangar shortcut needs to be in-station somewhere also, but shouldn't it go over on the buisness end of the station again with the office listings? Functioning properly, these 3 shortcuts would turn some of this briar patch into a bed of roses - still a little thorny, but much prettier.



Soundwave, the more you use the word "separate," the more hot I get.

Say it again!

If you really want to win me over, make the tree collapsed by default in all situations so we don't ever have to see it and make it's use 100 percent optional. I can barely read the tree and scrolling is not fun. And I so dislike how representative it is of a windows file-sorting system. This is a game. I need a little suspension of disbelief. I want to dock my internet spaceship in a station - a station with permanent hangars for my items and ships - with permanent icons representing these real pieces of the station itself.

Next let's get to work on finding some of the lost right-click functionality asap.



I suspect, Soundwave, neither will we.

Yonis Kador

I just spent a little time salvaging and looting after the patch. Unfortunately:

1) The child windows I open in a station are still not remembered and re-opened when I dock up again.

2) When I do open the Inventory window again, it still defaults to current ship cargo, and not to the station inventory.

3) If I undock with one or more Inventory windows open while in station, in space my ship cargo is still automatically opened.

This means that the Inventory window still changes its definition, which is not good behaviour. Windows that are open in the station that are not valid in space should close, not change their behaviour. If I open my ship cargo window in station, it should remain open in space (or it should close and an identical window should open to replace it).

This also means that I still often have two ship cargo windows open if I don't remember to close them before docking or undocking.

4) Wrecks and cans in space still replace my open ship cargo window in space instead of opening in a new child window.

5) Opening a wreck replaces ship cargo, so I open another ship cargo window to sort through what I want to loot. When the wreck/can disappears, the window it was using still stays open and still reverts to ship cargo, thus I still have two ship cargo windows open again.

6) There is still significant delay waiting for the wreck/can windows to open. When I don't need to be selective about what I pick (ie: plenty of cargo space), by the time the "Loot All" button appears, the ship is already out of range. Often, it takes so long that the message "You must be within 2500 meters to loot" appears instead.


Edit: These are just some of the simplest actions involving the inventory in the game. I truly feel for those who need to do anything more complicated.

Convention over configuration, always always always.

Is good changes. Keep 'em coming.

thank god your still working on it

any chance of having the ship type as the icon for your current ship in the treeview and the list of ships in the treeview - ie if you see a mach icon for the current ship your in a mach and if you see 4 drake icons and a mach you know you own 4 drakes and a mach at a glance - would make spotting the ship in the list soo much easier for us dummies with too many assets

Ahhhhh, I smell the Mr. Sheen from here.

The latest layer of polish on the turd.

Marvelous.

#1 - Should also apply to cans, wrecks, etc. Any container I double click on should launch it's own separate window, not get shoved into the the tree first. I hope 'compact' means you aren't wasting memory space by instantiating the tree class for every window. IMHO, a tree is not needed when spawning a compact, single container window. Any inventory with divisions should go back to having tabs at the top for ease of use as well, so you still don't need a tree on them either.

#2 - Good stuff!

#3 - Is there some reason you can't implement the industry standard double click? Drag and drop to open another instance is cute and all, but double-click is much faster. Especially if the window was previously opened and returns to where I last closed it.



Good news. The favorites idea you floated somewhere in all this would do well too. That way I could group the arrays I use all the time and toss the rest into a folder that I rarely, if ever, touch. And all the above stuff needs to apply as well.

With this, I can create a scenario that will make pos work good for me. I would be to land in the middle of my arrays, click on my inventory, get the tree, and then double click the arrays I want to open as separate windows where I last left them in the tabs I last left them, and get back to work with the same functionality of the old inventory system.

Then I'd have just one thing left to do : re-sub my 5 accounts that I canceled earlier this week.

Does that include the cargo icon in the HUD and the other bays (ore,ship, corp etc.) in the right click menu? If not, please do.
edit: also, the open button on the "Selected Item" window too.

still stuck with the crappy estimated value (i know how much it cost i bought it waste of space )

still stuck without all my windows (sigh) i wanta loot in peace I WANT MY WINDOWS

wheres all my really nice right click options ???????????? (love spending more time doing the same job )right click open drones/cargo/fuel/etc get the ****** sorted important quick access

station hanger & cargo buttons ????? having them was common sence ?? or does someone not have any ???

most important thing I NEED MY GOD DAMB WINDOWS PLEASE


oh and on a side note can someone lend me a chainsaw for that god damb ugly TREE

also reposting this in case the devs have stopped reading the other devblog comments section
http://youtu.be/HcG5Ha5wAFY

hopefully my video will be seen by at least one ccp dev