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New dev blog: Unified Inventory: Changes Coming Your Way This Friday!

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Maul555
Xen Investments
#321 - 2012-06-03 20:56:51 UTC
Crysis McNally wrote:
Quote:
If you use a shortcut to open a specific inventory/bay, that window will open in the compact and separate mode.


This needs an option in settings to toggle on or off, at the least, better yet just get rid of it because if you need the bay/container in it's own window then just hold shift. It's a pain in the ass to manage multiple inventory windows from a hotkeyed, MMO mouse with 10 different buttons used for different containers and bays and hangers when everyone of them is popping up as it's own damn window. I'm sure most players aren't playing on a 60-something inch TV with all the UI space in the world.

Please fix this!



No... I love that it now remembers to hide that damn tree... And most of the ppl here are grateful that they are opening in new windows again... Please don't let your unique uber-mouse ruin my game even more by getting the devs to listen to you...
Tlat Ij
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#322 - 2012-06-03 21:07:26 UTC
Crysis McNally wrote:
This needs an option in settings to toggle on or off

Yes.
Crysis McNally wrote:
better yet just get rid of it

Hell no! You may want one window but a LOT of people (like myself and most of the people posting here) want separate windows. When I mine I want ALL of my orcas bay open in different windows. When I do other things, I want my cargo in a separate window and other things to to open in different windows. Also, having more than one window open at a time makes it MUCH easier to move things between different locations. But since not everyone likes it (like you for example) having an option like they have with the info windows would be a brilliant idea and I don't see why it would be a difficult thing to do.
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#323 - 2012-06-03 23:51:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort
Well, time to evaluate CCP's progress in fixing this horrible ******* mess, as it's been a few weeks, plenty of time to hit the revert button, or wrap the two version of the UI in if statements so people can just toggle between them.


  • Has CCP fixed the UI? No.
  • Has CCP started running patches through QA? No.
  • Has CCP started communicating with the users? One-way, telling us how it will be, so no.
  • Has CCP even admitted that it's a ****** system? No.


My conclusion is that CCP continues to have no idea what they are doing. If I didn't have two months left on my subs, I would unsubscribe. I'm already playing other games.

The only other company that acts this way that I know of is Linden Research, and Second Life is doing so well. Roll

Second attempt at posting since the forums keep eating my posts. Must be the web team's excellent QA processes.

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OnlyFleets.
#324 - 2012-06-04 11:16:42 UTC
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:
The only other company that acts this way that I know of is Linden Research, and Second Life is doing so well. Roll

um


not that I'm advocating Second Life for anything outside of lulz, but you do realize that EVE and Second Life are, like, the only two MMOs in the world that are still online and operating today which have seen nothing but steady growth in userbases since their inception , right?

http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-2.png
D'Kelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#325 - 2012-06-04 13:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: D'Kelle
Copied directly from a similar thread as the GM in question gave me two threads to choose from and as there is know way of knowing which one you Devs will look at I posted in both for good measure.

BTW!
Sorry! Comments submitted under an alt to avoid passing on strategic/and tactical info to our adversaries



Never mind all the flaming click clicking and multi windows, as of the 4th June 2012 it is still not possible for any audit/secure container to be opened on our Station Corp Hanger decks, this is despite the alleged patch to fix this on Friday the 1st of June 2012. So now in effect all corp assets in audit logged / secured containers cannot be accessed by anyone now despite there being visible on the respective hanger deck either in stations or at POS Corp Hanger arrays. In my oppinion this is having a notable effect on game play in other words a “Game play issue”. For all relevant EVE players.

Strange how that appears not the view of a certain GM when the petition was sent in.(Please note the petition was submiited after the Friday patch was applied as you know you cannot play EVE till you have patched, something else the GM didnt seem to realise when replying to my petition) Instead he directed me to these forums in the hope a solution was in here. Or post a comment in the hope they will pick up the problem AGAIN! as it isn't fixed.

By experimenting we find some Directors can open a container but cannot see the items even though the container volume shows they are all at varying levels of fullness other Directors cannot even open the cans. Any one else without even Director Level access has not a hope in hell of seeing them let alone access them.

Yesterday 2nd June 2012 we had to give temporary director level access to a trusted corp mate so that he could access our members hanger, at one of the Corps, POS Corp Hanger arrays, ffs that is a hanger even our relative noob players would have access to before the damn unified Inventory using the normal permissions tables that have been available for years.

For now as a safety measure in case the access permissions get further screwed we have temporarily taken away access to all except very trusted and director level members until this is resolved, even for them it’s a royal pain in the ass.

On a lighter Note:

CCP are you sure you don't have a mole in your team lurking from another MMOG sabotaging your stuff? Cos it sure begins to look that way.
Your stuff was never, ever, ever as bad as this, hmmm execpt perhaps for the auto deleting Win ini file incident some time back, but there again it might have been the same mole.


Take a look, EVEonline has more layers of skullduggery/espionage/conspiracies and wrong dooers that you may realise, lol maybe Goons got at your code and set it alight, or check, with the "Broker" see if he has been dabbling.
DazedOne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#326 - 2012-06-04 14:27:32 UTC
Smohq Anmirorz wrote:
lol...yes, CCP, the cargohold window is very important, it was difficult having it close so often.

...um....but now I'm often getting two cargohold windows and having to figure out which one is the one I want is which one is some re-sized, re-positioned extra.

Keep at it, guys, I know you'll get it to something everyone likes.

And, hey! Everyone else, relax, already. I don't want them working on this game under a hail of gunfire. Yeah, I didn't like the change and still don't see the reason for it, but I'm looking at this as an opportunity to get input into the UI while they're working on it. If you give them suggestions and feedback in a reasonable tone and manner, maybe you'll get to help with the new UI. Rant and rave and they'll likely tune you out and listen to the more reasonable voices.



They had gotten input on the new UI in SiSi BUT DIDN'T LISTEN. This is why they are scrambling to get this thing working and in a lot of areas still not listening on what we actually want improved.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#327 - 2012-06-04 14:27:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Another patch comes and goes with very little movement in the direction of returning the simple, effective and intuitive container/cargo-bay functionality we were all used to.
This, along with introducing consequences to faction war (though the consequences are purely based on pve activities rather than pvp and have resulted in gallente for example winning just about every battle but losing the war), means i will be reducing the amount of time i spend playing eve since i have no confidence in the direction it is going.

Beyond my current subscription im not sure if i will subscribe again. Might as well jump ship before you guys make more horrifically ignorant design decisions that fly in the face of just about all player feedback while failing to fix the core aspects that are actually weak or broken concepts like orbiting buttons.
BlackTalon
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#328 - 2012-06-04 14:41:57 UTC
i have tried really hard to use this new ui and tried to stop moaning about it alot.but i still having loads off trouble in trying to work with it.please please roll back to old system or give us an f####### button to switch between old and new this ui is still about 20 yrs away from been any where near as good as old ui system .doing simple thing in eve now like moving stuff around is an pain

1 when looting all from cans why does the ship hanger appear when the last can your done is empty dont want that need just loot all when all done no ship hanger to appear its an pain in the arse

2 why cant we double click cans in station to be able to open diff ones up

3 why do we need an tree for inventory when we knew where every think was before and give us an corp hanger button in station also member hanger tab again i want an inventory where we can see all hanger and there tabs like before this ui is still crap get rid off it

4 give us ship hanger buttom like we had before in station why do we have to keep going threw silly scrolling thing to get to stuff its an waste off time

stop the patches to fix is lump off lard and just roll back this is an utter waste off time this new ui. how comes ccp aint done an live dev thing on it yet because you all ready know most dont like this ui



ISquishWorms
#329 - 2012-06-04 14:47:51 UTC
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:
Well, time to evaluate CCP's progress in fixing this horrible ******* mess, as it's been a few weeks, plenty of time to hit the revert button, or wrap the two version of the UI in if statements so people can just toggle between them.


  • Has CCP fixed the UI? No.
  • Has CCP started running patches through QA? No.
  • Has CCP started communicating with the users? One-way, telling us how it will be, so no.
  • Has CCP even admitted that it's a ****** system? No.


My conclusion is that CCP continues to have no idea what they are doing. If I didn't have two months left on my subs, I would unsubscribe. I'm already playing other games.

The only other company that acts this way that I know of is Linden Research, and Second Life is doing so well. Roll

Second attempt at posting since the forums keep eating my posts. Must be the web team's excellent QA processes.


Ask them to freeze your account I just have. I am hoping they can and that way should I decide to return at a later date I hope the time I have now will still be there. No idea though how long it will take them to respond to my petition though as going by recent responce times my sub may of expired anyway by the time they get around to answering.

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.

Capsuler Rhea
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#330 - 2012-06-04 15:14:35 UTC
ISquishWorms wrote:
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:
Well, time to evaluate CCP's progress in fixing this horrible ******* mess, as it's been a few weeks, plenty of time to hit the revert button, or wrap the two version of the UI in if statements so people can just toggle between them.


  • Has CCP fixed the UI? No.
  • Has CCP started running patches through QA? No.
  • Has CCP started communicating with the users? One-way, telling us how it will be, so no.
  • Has CCP even admitted that it's a ****** system? No.


My conclusion is that CCP continues to have no idea what they are doing. If I didn't have two months left on my subs, I would unsubscribe. I'm already playing other games.

The only other company that acts this way that I know of is Linden Research, and Second Life is doing so well. Roll

Second attempt at posting since the forums keep eating my posts. Must be the web team's excellent QA processes.


Ask them to freeze your account I just have. I am hoping they can and that way should I decide to return at a later date I hope the time I have now will still be there. No idea though how long it will take them to respond to my petition though as going by recent responce times my sub may of expired anyway by the time they get around to answering.


will they freeze accounts? current sub is up to September still, would be good if they freeze accounts, not really feeling playing this game atm.
ISquishWorms
#331 - 2012-06-04 15:18:02 UTC  |  Edited by: ISquishWorms
Capsuler Rhea wrote:

will they freeze accounts? current sub is up to September still, would be good if they freeze accounts, not really feeling playing this game atm.



Well I did read a post by someone else saying that it was an option so thought I can't lose much by asking in a petition for them to do this. I wait to see if they will or not though but worth a go.

‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’.

Glarbl Blarbl
Orion-Glarbl Mining Bureau
#332 - 2012-06-04 16:06:58 UTC
well the CHA seems to be faster most of the time. Except when I first logged on w one of my toons and it never resolved (spinning wheel FTW).

However, if i double-click a container in the CHA it opens a new window to my active ship's cargo! That's kind of a bug :( It's a big pain to have to open up the tree to get into this container i see right in front of me.
Cuchulin
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#333 - 2012-06-04 16:31:18 UTC
Uhm guys...wasnt there supposed to be a new devblog today about the fixes to the inventory coming this week ? Also werent there supposed to be fixes in todays patch ?....Just asking because both didnt happen....

Just thought I remind you CCP guys that almost all major issues with the new UI are still unadressed....
Ad'Hakim Tahous
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#334 - 2012-06-04 16:48:07 UTC
System is still a substantial and uncalled for impediment to game play.

- Enter POS with multiple cargo cans full of materials
- Maneuver to appropriate array.
- Open array, wait, wait, array opens
- Open first can, and wait
- Move contents to array and wait, wait, wait.
- Rinse-and-repeat for each can.
- Maneuver to array in which empty cans are stored
- Open array, wait, wait, array opens
- Select all cans and move to array
- Wait, wait, first can moves
- Wait, wait, second can moves
- Etc, etc., etc.

Had been an advocate for rolling this d****d thing back the moment it appeared in-game. Moved to a compromise position of a temporary rollback or an opt-out button.

Even waited to see if patching would help.

Enough.

Rollback this game-breaking piece of s***

No more. I'm not in the game to be your damned beta tester.
Jack Mancetti
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#335 - 2012-06-04 18:09:32 UTC
- 1 Account thx CCP for this crap !!
TheSmokingHertog
Julia's Interstellar Trade Emperium
#336 - 2012-06-05 08:27:04 UTC  |  Edited by: TheSmokingHertog
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Scaugh wrote:
And corporate hangars?

At least bring back the icon for it.



We're working towards making some changes to a lot of the icons. Ideally we'll want everything to have separate icons so you can more easily identify them.


I have not yet read all posts, but please make sure to add a pin option for a folder with locations, I have to reopen it again on each client restart, somewhat annoying.

And some old stuff;

Quote:
  1. [Fixed] GREAT!, THX - Prefix on containers
  2. Please let he main inventory window remain the focus of your mouse / keyboard until I activate another focuspoint with my mouse, distribution of items to several endpoints (Jita, Dodixie, etc), has now several extra steps, since my stock inventory container looses focus each time, now I have to shift click it and drag / drop from this container, it would be great if I could work with less windows as this update intended.
  3. Can we get the fill bar of containers seen as a little bar on the main inventory tree?
  4. [Fixed] GREAT!, THX - Sorting state of containers
  5. Please let containers within the inventory tree have another inventory listing setting as the main window and let them be remembered on container level.
  6. Please let us assign a primary key to the for us important inventory management position. Then if that one is not opened, ALT C could open that window, all other windows could be ignored as inventory windows, since they are not primary keyed.
  7. Make a hide button << for the est price bar, thx

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D'Kelle
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#337 - 2012-06-05 16:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: D'Kelle
TheSmokingHertog wrote:
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Scaugh wrote:
And corporate hangars?

At least bring back the icon for it.




We're working towards making some changes to a lot of the icons. Ideally we'll want everything to have separate icons so you can more easily identify them.


I have not yet read all posts, but please make sure to add a pin option for a folder with locations, I have to reopen it again on each client restart, somewhat annoying.


Sorry forum users Comments are via an alt so as not to give notice to our adversaries that we have this problem :(

Screw the icons Just make the contents of locked /auditable cans accessable to Corp directors in corp hanger again. the pretty stuff can wait! Get your priorities right. its no good giving nice easy icons if the cans behind them cant open and display stuff to authorised owners/users.

And by the way CCP I am still waiting for a reasonable reply to my petitions. Ref another Char on this acc...
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#338 - 2012-06-06 14:44:43 UTC
Shortcut keys opening into their own windows solved my issues. I remove my name from the bitchfest.

♪ They'll always be bloodclaws to me ♫

Callidus Dux
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#339 - 2012-06-07 05:06:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Callidus Dux
ISquishWorms wrote:
Capsuler Rhea wrote:

will they freeze accounts? current sub is up to September still, would be good if they freeze accounts, not really feeling playing this game atm.



Well I did read a post by someone else saying that it was an option so thought I can't lose much by asking in a petition for them to do this. I wait to see if they will or not though but worth a go.


I had also a petition concerning a refund of the rest of my game time. There were 3 different GM's involved. All 3 GM's offered me to refund 2 month of my subscription fee. I really want to wait that CCP is doing it right and 2 month is not really much for me in RL. This fact and the fact that I have missed a point of time to rescue 2 month (I could now only rescue 1 month), leads to my decition to wait, till this account runs out of game time the normal way.

CCP: Do it right with the patch today and the next main patch on June 19. Otherwise I do not think that I am willed to extend the subscription again. I loved this game till 22.05.2012. I want to play again. But as it is... I have done NOTHING more than ship spinning and a little bit production of my ammonition since 22.05. THIS IS NO GAME PLAY FOR ME! I do not want to pay for a game I barely log into and have no fun to play.

Bring back the joy to eve. Bring back the better old UI - or at least a very similar copy. Perhaps not 100% but maybe 80% including windows and doubleclicks and all options in the right click menue and all icons back in the NeoCom.

Do this and I will pay again. Dont do this and you have lost a loyal customer since more than 4 years. Then you have to find another gamer who pays my part of EVE.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#340 - 2012-06-07 05:16:23 UTC
Jebediah MacAhab Dallocort wrote:
  • Has CCP even admitted that it's a ****** system? No.
  • CCP will literally never admit that they were wrong about something or that one of their ideas was bad, they'll declare their polished turd to be a technological and artistic triumph and then cram it into your throat as hard as they can. It's what they've been doing for years.