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I made a TL;DR version of your post, since I thought you were a bit long winded in making your point. Feel free to correct me, if you think I missed something vital from you post.

You misunderstand my point. I'm not saying they shouldn't take this as a learning experience and try their best to improve things. I'm saying getting in to all those things is counter productive and unimportant in the current situation and the abusive nature of some of the feedback, while understandable, can get hard to deal with and isn't helping things. I also wanted to remind them, that some of us do still like them, so they shouldn't let the angry feedback get to them too much and know that they're on the right track now. The only thing that matters now is getting things done to fix things.

Just so you get where I'm coming from, I've had the displeasure of being in such messes as I'm sure every working adult has. Abusive negative feedback can be personally very draining and doesn't help the situation in any way. In a RL working environment there is always the tendency for people to try to cover their own asses no matter what. This can lead to people avoiding much needed communication with their playerbase, since no one want to deal with that crap in their job on a regular basis. It can also easily lead to finger pointing and internal bickering, that slows down working effiency and turns the general working environment sour. This is especially bad in a situation where swift action to correct the problems needs to happen.

These kind of scandals and fuckups happen from time to time to every MMO developer. They will happen again even if CCP tries their best to not repeat them. Trying will cause less and more infrequent repeats of this, but they will still continue to happen. I've seen so many companies and CCP too respond incorrectly to these situations in the past and make them much worse then they had to be. I'm just glad to see CCP do the right things this time and I thought hearing it from one of their players would be a welcome thing in a sea of angry feedback.

They are not doing the right thing. That is the point.

The UI should have been rolled back within days of implementation.

They are doing the wrong thing, persevering with a mess on the live server.

If they had taken it back to the test server for a few months of problem solving, would anyone have missed it? Really?

Even the most extreme fanboy could have no complaint if this had happened, since no one was looking for a fix for something that wasn't broken.

I'm not quite sure what's going on here, but I'll chime back in again with some more in-game experience using this new inventory system.

Case 1
I happen to salvage with dual accounts on pretty often, and this is what I get.
Account 1 : around 2.5 seconds to access and loot a single cargo can.
Account 2 : close to 5 second to perform the very same task, and the whole process slows the relevant account down to a crawl as well..

I never experienced any of that with the old inventory.

Case 2
I usually just stockpile goods until my station inventory is almost full and then just go and reprocess all the meta1-2 goodies.

With the old inventory, given a station hangar with the full 996 items, I could select any amount of them and the reprocessing process would be almost instantaneus.
With the current "improved version", under the same conditions, I timed a full 11 seconds to reprocess 1 stack and 26 seconds to complete reprocessing 10 stacks : during the whole process the game is unresponsive.

Again, I never got any of that before.

I'm sorry to have to say this again, but in the current state this inventory system is an embarassment.
As far as I am concerned, the only goal you have achieved is to have turned salvaging, looting and general inventory management in an excruciatingly tedious task.

This whole situation is definitely worth the coveted prize of the popular double facepalm captain Picard picture.

please sort out the open cargo buttons when in station i need to look in other ships cargo holds shift click is very annoing

please give us our cargo & ship hanger buttons back

still missing our right click options give them back asap

but a little improvement

after you have done those maybe you could chop down the TREE

Revert back to the old, problem solved...

But since you (CCP) thinks that this is superior to the old, which it is not, and only want to change it within the parameters you decide, i can only hope that the new fixes will get some of the old easy access and intuitive feel back that the new lacks totally...

So basically what i hope is that independent buttons for different will be added, or the possibility to add them yourself. If that happens it will ease the pain and overall bad feel the inventory has in its current state, and that the windows opened will be separate and not just change within one opened window.

Best case scenario will be if it to some degree was made more like the old, old buttons for hangars and one window for each hangar etc and then add the new stuff as an option that the player can either hide/unhide if needed...

Still, the basic feeling i have regarding the new inventory is that is more shiny than useful...and i really really hope that the old easy access and intuitive use will be back.

/raoul

oh and dear ccp soundwave, since i think you might be danish, this is just for you... DET EN OMMER!

I don't know how things work for CCP and for this particular patch, but I do know software development processes.


I don't and I clearly said that in my post.


They brought the hangar back AFTER new coding. They did not bring back the old code. :) It was NEW code that replicated OLD code. It also took them a few months to do that, IIRC.

Clearly, they did not read/listen/cogitate on the feedback that was given on SISI.
The way this was rolled out, was wrong.

Stop posting, there is a suggestion everyone can get behind and it's constructive.

You're implementing yet another tree view for pos's? Did I read that right? Get it through your thick skull, I don't want a tree view!

Since rolling back isn't an option, what CCP should be looking to implement is 100% feature parity with the original interface. Then you should be looking to implement a check box to selectively enable new features at a granular level. The key here is selectively and with granular control. There may be times or specific instances where I want /SOME/ of these features enabled. I should be able to choose when that is appropriate, and on what accounts I think this is appropriate on. I'd use this new crap on a couple of accounts, but on my accounts with a significant amount of assets it's not practical in it's current state, and I fail to see why you can't understand this simple concept...

What I want to read in the next devblog is simply, we're implementing 100% feature parity with the old system, and allowing you to choose default behavior with granular control. If you're going to be wasting our valuable time alpha testing code on production servers, you might as well give us what we want and do it correctly.

Hope this helps,

~s~

In case these anomalies (or suggestions) have not been mentioned / overlooked / missed due to the sheer number of posts regarding the UI (and because some have not been mentioned as being tackled in the DevBlog):

• When a Buy Order is filled and items are deposited in the Item Hanger the Estimated ISK price is not updated.

• When moving items into Station Containers these get locked 100% of the time regardless of being configured to being Unlocked.

• The rather incredibly long time it takes to move large (even as small as 40) numbers of items between locations. It appears as though the screen is almost redrawn with the removal of each single item, it this is the case I'd suggest dropping this element, it should take split seconds to programmatically move these items. More speed, less fancy screen wizardry.

• When opening the cargo hold of a non-active ship the cargo capacity where Cargo Expanders have been used (in order to move items to such cargo holds I have to make that ship active) is incorrect. This means you cannot transfer items to the cargo hold where the cargo exceeds the ships base cargo hold ( the default I guess).

• Should be able to set a default view when the UI is opened (for me this would be my Item Hanger ...not my ships cargo hold!).

• Remove the active ship and display in the Ship Hanger tree. Clicking the hanger shows the active ship but its not visible in the tree = inconsistency.

That is all for now.

Fly safe. o7

Hey CCP Soundwave,

When I drop item in to another Corperation Corperation Hanager Array, in say the first division it just gives me this error "You have been denied access for the following reason: This office does not belong to your corporation." Yes it is another Corporation PoS structured but before the new UI system we could still drop in. The function needs to be restored or improved.