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The Mittani's Presumption of Safety

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Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#161 - 2012-05-30 19:49:55 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
FeralShadow wrote:
Perhaps it's a problem with the way people are learning the game?


The game's tutorial has you shoot an NPC and mine a rock.


I hear it also pods you these days or something.


It kills your ship 2-3 times to try and teach you not to care and fly what you can lose, but as the gankers say, the bears just ignore the warnings, and still think this game is wow. Only I don't think its a problem, eve is eve. There will always be bears, gankers, and everyone in-between.
Ditra Vorthran
Caldari Imports and Exports
#162 - 2012-05-30 20:00:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Ditra Vorthran
First, there's O-TECH, creating a self sustaining stable group of the most powerful alliances in the game. This gives the Null Sec alliances the stability they need to partake in 'good fights' without the necessity of going through Sov/POS grinds. All the while they're making boatloads of ISK. If someone rises up to challenge any of these alliances, the rest of them will set their differences aside and grind it into the dust.

With Null Sec stabilized, Mittani's attention turns to High Sec. Burn Jita was a challenge to CCP, a test to see if they would step in. They didn't, and now Mittani has moved forward with perma-Hulkageddon, and eventually will Burn [insert market hubs here].

What's next?

There will be many people who will quit, others who will move to incursions/missions, a small percentage who will change to PvP, and finally, those who will give in and (suck the **** of) join a large alliance for the ability to work in 0.0.

Eventually, once Hulkageddon has flatlined, Mittani will declare war on missioners. Can't have those pesky highsecers making risk free money, now can we? They've been playing Eve for months/years, they can mission in Low Sec like they're suppose to.

After that, it'll be those Incusioners who are destroying Eve due to the massive amount of isk they bring into the game and the inflation it causees! How dare they! There are Incursions in Low and Null Sec. If it's good enough for Goonswarm, it's good enough for everyone.

Eventually, Eve will fall below the critical mass needed to sustain itself.

He has done an excellent job deflecting action by CCP them to stop him. 'Goonswarm supports emergent gameplay,' is code for, 'I'm daring you to come after me so I can hang you with your own hipocracy and turn myself into a martyr.'

Eve isn't dying. It is being murdered.

Love him or hate him, he knows how to shake things up. Let's hope he doesn't shake things to pieces.

"Miners mine so I don't have to." ~Metal Icarus
Khadann
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#163 - 2012-05-30 20:02:43 UTC
" PVP is the backbone of eve, it's core, the only feature worth and should be the only reason why players play eve."
BLA BLA...

Stop calling it sandbox then.

CCP would not have implemented industry or PVE features if the game was made only for PVP.

I believe EVE is a sandbox mmo before being a PVP mmo, what do you think?
Kahetha
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#164 - 2012-05-30 20:16:10 UTC
ohh, oh yes, ohh how does it feel to be crying goonpats? ahh cry, yes ye baddi please, cry more cry, cry about how hard it is to pvp in 0.0, cry about how you are too good to bother with the hassles of fleet warfare, cry about how you have to harass other people to get it hard, please cry, it amuses me to my ******* core XD
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#165 - 2012-05-30 20:18:19 UTC
Kahetha wrote:
ohh, oh yes, ohh how does it feel to be crying goonpats? ahh cry, yes ye baddi please, cry more cry, cry about how hard it is to pvp in 0.0, cry about how you are too good to bother with the hassles of fleet warfare, cry about how you have to harass other people to get it hard, please cry, it amuses me to my ******* core XD


We live to serve, but little carebear, it's actually the other people who are crying, not us. :)
Embrace My Hate
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#166 - 2012-05-30 20:18:49 UTC
The Mittani wrote:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/231736/


I could not have expressed the current state of affairs better myself.

<3
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#167 - 2012-05-30 20:20:05 UTC
Kahetha wrote:
ohh, oh yes, ohh how does it feel to be crying goonpats? ahh cry, yes ye baddi please, cry more cry, cry about how hard it is to pvp in 0.0, cry about how you are too good to bother with the hassles of fleet warfare, cry about how you have to harass other people to get it hard, please cry, it amuses me to my ******* core XD


Meth is a hell of a drug. You should get help.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2012-05-30 20:20:10 UTC
Kahetha wrote:
ohh, oh yes, ohh how does it feel to be crying goonpats? ahh cry, yes ye baddi please, cry more cry, cry about how hard it is to pvp in 0.0, cry about how you are too good to bother with the hassles of fleet warfare, cry about how you have to harass other people to get it hard, please cry, it amuses me to my ******* core XD


i love posts like this

this is why we kill you, highsec

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Luigi Thirty
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#169 - 2012-05-30 20:28:11 UTC
Kahetha wrote:
ohh, oh yes, ohh how does it feel to be crying goonpats? ahh cry, yes ye baddi please, cry more cry, cry about how hard it is to pvp in 0.0, cry about how you are too good to bother with the hassles of fleet warfare, cry about how you have to harass other people to get it hard, please cry, it amuses me to my ******* core XD


what
FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#170 - 2012-05-30 20:29:58 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
FeralShadow wrote:
A lot of people seem to think this is a discussion about pvp methodologies (suicide ganking, or blobbing, or whatever) or about the sandbox philosophy (Sandbox != multiplayer sandbox. look at sig link.) but it is not. It is about the staggering number of individuals currently floating around in space who believe that they are completely and totally 100% guaranteed safe. When they die and that facade is shattered, they then come and complain very vocally on the forums about it, trying to get it changed. That's where the entitlement comes in.

Really, though, it's because they believed themselves to be 100% safe in the first place, then had their belief destroyed that causes the negative reaction. Beliefs are very important to people, and to their identities (yes, even beliefs about an internet spaceship game) and when they are challenged, or in this case utterly destroyed, the person gets angry because he feels immensely threatened.

Perhaps it's a problem with the way people are learning the game?


As correct as you are, all of your words are completely lost on the vast magority of the people here.

I commend you, and pity you at you at the same time.



As long as there is at least one person that looks at the issue objectively and rationally like yourself, my words aren't wasted.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#171 - 2012-05-30 20:31:42 UTC
Khadann wrote:
" PVP is the backbone of eve, it's core, the only feature worth and should be the only reason why players play eve."
BLA BLA...

Stop calling it sandbox then.
No. It's a sandbox because PvP is the backbone and core of EVE.

Quote:
I believe EVE is a sandbox mmo before being a PVP mmo, what do you think?
If it's the former, it pretty much forcibly has to be the other…
Wu Jiaqiu
#172 - 2012-05-30 20:33:47 UTC
Some carebear posts in this thread make me wish I wasn't -10 so I can find them and **** em.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#173 - 2012-05-30 20:49:17 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:

Some even believe that this game does allow you to "opt out" by living in hisec,
Many believe that suicide ganking is an exploit, that CONCORD exists to protect them from all harm,
and that nonconsensual PvP does not have a place in hisec.



I love this stuff.

Show me

Who believe's that this game does allow you to "opt out" by living in hisec" Got a quote from somone ?
Who believe's that CONCORD exists to protect them from all harm ? Got a quote from somone ?
Who believe's that suicide ganking is an exploit. Got a quote from somone ?
Who believe's that that nonconsensual PvP does not have a place in hisec. Got a quote from somone ?

Just curious who this person is cause man they really do a good job of irritating the crap out of you all LolLolLol



you do:

Simetraz wrote:
OP how does any of your comments fix a freighter from getting ganked.
Or the industrial ship that gets ganked.
Or the cruiser that got ganked .

You said you had the fix for ganking but you haven't addressed these very important issues.


as you think ganking needs to be "fixed" to prevent ships from being ganked you clearly are precisely the sort of scum referenced there
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-05-30 20:55:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Khadann wrote:
" PVP is the backbone of eve, it's core, the only feature worth and should be the only reason why players play eve."
BLA BLA...

Stop calling it sandbox then.
No. It's a sandbox because PvP is the backbone and core of EVE.


Both wrong, "sandbox" does not necessitate any particular ruleset. It just means there is a ruleset without any defined objectives. Doesn't imply limited resources or conflict, doesn't even have to be multiplayer.

EVE is a very specific "sandbox".
Sir John Halsey
#175 - 2012-05-30 21:10:36 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
Again, I don't know what game they are playing. I can say the same for people who would sit on a gate all day for a killmail, and then run from a 5 on one (their 5 versus one) out of fear that they might get popped and not go one up in their stats. I have seen the same kinds of people playing other MMOs.


Hi nobody in this game actually cares about killboard stats, hth


Then why so many killmail sites and people bragging with the ships they kill?
You can say a lot of players don't care about stats bit not nobody cares ... not with some may sites and requests to have those nice features in game :)
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#176 - 2012-05-30 21:23:21 UTC
Sir John Halsey wrote:
Then why so many killmail sites and people bragging with the ships they kill?
You can say a lot of players don't care about stats bit not nobody cares ... not with some may sites and requests to have those nice features in game :)


because talking about eve is better than playing it
Zelda Wei
New Horizon Trade Exchange
#177 - 2012-05-30 21:38:25 UTC
Lexmana wrote:

Wow. If you can't beat him in-game you are hoping that CCP will permaban him? Is this the kind of game you want to play?


Don't like being meta-gamed eh, I can taste the bitter tears of irony when Mittens gets hoisted by his own petard.
Lustralis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2012-05-30 21:44:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Lustralis
Richard Desturned wrote:

CCP has allowed this gameplay for the entirety of EVE's existence - why would it suddenly become a problem now?


Not quite. You obviously weren't around before CONCORD existed, when Space Invaders would camp high sec gates (Amarr/Yulai, when Yulai was the Jita of Eve) killing everyone who passed through. CCP clearly think there's a line when it comes to this kind of grief play. The question is not whether GS will eventually cross it, but when.

I suggest it will happen when the bottom line starts to become affected.
Malphilos
State War Academy
Caldari State
#179 - 2012-05-30 22:16:41 UTC
Lustralis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:

CCP has allowed this gameplay for the entirety of EVE's existence - why would it suddenly become a problem now?


Not quite. You obviously weren't around before CONCORD existed, when Space Invaders would camp high sec gates (Amarr/Yulai, when Yulai was the Jita of Eve) killing everyone who passed through. CCP clearly think there's a line when it comes to this kind of grief play. The question is not whether GS will eventually cross it, but when.

I suggest it will happen when the bottom line starts to become affected.


There is precedent.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2012-05-30 22:59:14 UTC
Zelda Wei wrote:
Don't like being meta-gamed eh, I can taste the bitter tears of irony when Mittens gets hoisted by his own petard.


lol let's act like top-notch ~metagamers~ and whine about losing our hulks

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration