EVE General Discussion

If my memory is good, witch I doubt, we started for about 1.5Million at public servers start to reach the peak of 15millions about 3 years latter.

I'm sure it's because it was an awful game with crappy graphics, poor toons or personal skills required, poor pve content and extremely poor pvp content, no combat strategies might it be pvp or pve, craft/industry, market trading, yadayada

Any time you take a action that impacts another player negatively its pvp it dos not matter if they can fight back or not.

Wont read it, dont care. Nice way to keep mittens relevant even though he doesnt log in to play the game.

No. PvP is one player performing an act of aggression on another.

You are referring to CONSENSUAL PvP. Sport. It's nice and fun, but not the only way out there.

Also, while I admit that I am quite risk adverse and my method to deal with pods involve a sniping Naga and 249 Km of distance, in case they get close and hurt me somehow, I never ever got shot at by Concord under any circumstance, so I never ever ganked a miner.

Now, it's a thing I might try eventually. Got almost perfect small blaster skills, got Destroyers V, and maybe I can scratch a few millions for the odd Catalyst every now and then. Only, not know, as Hulks can have flights of Warrior II's and I'm also scared of that.

indeed we do! People should realize the obvious fact that even shooting rocks with mining lasers is PvP. And shooting the one shooting rocks is one of the basic elements of sandbox PvP - denial of resources.

The tutorial actually teaches you about following FC orders (ok, briefly, but still), about suiciding (you get at least 1 ship blown up doing a suicide run, and another where you have to fly in, take out one ship while waiting for re-inforcements, then die), it also discusses spider tanking, webbing, scrambling, and different aspects of pvp, then points you to the faction militia.

It is limited, as there is only so much pvp you can teach using NPCs as your "fleet", but, can we please get away from the several year old idea that tutorials only cover mining and pve concepts.

The level 1 mining missions also have big text on the bottom saying about how miners have to keep an eye out for suicide gankers, again, they can only illustrate this with rats, but there is a huge wall of text explaining that mining is not safe and that you can, and do get blown up.

But, yes, CCP never, ever, ever in any missions/tutorials/concepts cover anything about risk in high sec, or suicide ganking, or can flipping. They only mention pve and afk mining

they will quit as well, its the natural order of things.

i seriously want CCP to remove concord all together so their subs fall so low, investors start bailing like rats off a burning ship.
all these people who cry out for all out no consequences pvp, are probably all right off of WoW. they haven't the slightest clue what happens to a server's population when something like this occurs.

also, this whole notion where this guy states that players in high sec believe its pvp-free is completely unfounded. i am positive everyone knows pvp is everywhere in EVE and can happen at anytime.

+1 good read.

EVE will be a better place once Goonswarm drives off the idiots. Do try and leave a handful though, I still enjoy the odd ****-fit jumping blindly into low.

Because people get bored playing other games.
Or people grow, get a job, make money and they afford paying/playing EVE (like me)
People want eye candy games even though some browser MMOs are very good.
Some switch from F2P because those are *** money grabbers companies even though some games can be very very good.

I don't care about goons, mittani, ccp decisions ... i just wish EVE would have a better UI and get rid of those right click sub menus :)

Yeah, this blog post of mine seems relevant:

http://stinkinguplocal.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/save-me-from-non-consentual-pvp/

Basically, Eve is all about competition. Almost every element of the game permits some level of player-versus-player behavior. Why should they get to opt out of combat, unless we can all opt out of whatever competitive play we want?

The underlying problem is that people don't understand, as Mittens points out, that it is entirely possible to avoid being ganked. I've said it over and over in recent conversations: the Covetor is 75-80% the yield of the hulk for less than 10% of the price. The Rokh is about 65% the yield and nigh invulnerable to gankers. It all comes back to the risk versus reward concept: to get the highest yeild in the game you have to take the risk of using an expensive and fragile ship. What the carebears are asking for is to remove that balance and allow them to achieve the reward without taking on the risk.

I think the new play experience is partly to blame. A new player gets introduced to mining, scanning, and missions, and given a pat on the back and a hearty "good luck!". They don't understand the different philosophies of PVE and PVP fittings. They don't understand aggression mechanics. They ARE honestly surprised when they find out their stuff can be destroyed in highsec, because Eve gives the impression that it's secure.

Bittervets, Mittens included, will asert that the new player just needs to "do their research". I feel this is an unrealistic expectation. I have absolutely no problem with someone picking up a game, saying "this looks cool", and playing it without spending hours reading about it and learning exactly what the environment is like. I think a much larger problem is that CCP's tutorials--at least the ones I saw when I started two years ago--actively misinform the player on how game mechanics work. it's ENTIRELY centered around PVE and leaves newcomers completely unequipped to deal with the reality of Eve.