EVE General Discussion

I was a miner in UO. In the beginning I would leave town with my heart in my mouth, desperately hoping I would not meet a dreaded red player killer (PK). I would mine and make it back to town with a sense of relief. I developed strategies to avoid and escape from these PK's which made mere survival against one seem like a great victory.

As I progressed I continued to mine but also ran dungeons. There came a point went I could take a two week old character into most of the dungeons in the game without fear of the mobs. The only thing I feared was the PK. The PK was the hardest, most ruthless mob of them all. Again I adapted and learned to avoid and escape these PK's, until one day I fought back and won.

Many carebears in UO didn't see the PK's as the most dangerous mob of them all. They saw them as detrimental to the game and complained constantly. As a result UO was slowly purged of the PK, until they where banished to another realm completely. The carebears had won.

It was a Pyrrhic victory. It soon became clear that without the PK inhabiting to the top of the food change there was no longer any risk to anything. You could mine all day without fear. Not think twice about running the toughest dungeons in the game. This lack of risk stripped the game of any sense of adventure or consequence. PvP was banished, PvE a pale shadow.

The game died. It died of a cancer.

I am a new player to Eve so am perhaps more vulnerable than most to the predations of the Pirate or Goon. They will kill me again and again. I'll learn to adapt, run and fight. The alternative is the cancer. Every time I see a thread started by a carebear thoughtlessly venting, I'm reminded of this cancer and hope CCP are wiser than they are.

Stay here a few more weeks and you will realize 90% of the arguments and complaints around here are people blowing smoke up everyone's ass. They rage for a bit, then get right back to what they were doing.

The miners are going to whine and complaing about their hulks getting blown up, then they a

Enjoy yourself baby.


there is nothing better than being the hunted prey and adapting to the point where you can operate in the most dangerous space with little fear.

This it provides engaging content for everyone hunters and prey alike

Eve isn't easy ~deal with it~ it was never ment to be

Then why can't we remove local from low and null?

I've played both demons souls and dark souls before. People who complain about involuntary PvP should try those games and see how fun it is to get bumrushed by a pyromancer flame spammer running up behind you while you're fighting giant monsters of d00m...

dont mine in high, mine in fleet, make 100mil isk/hour +, ????, profit?

point invalid, mining in the noob zones in uo was presumably terrible as well

can we move this to a different thread? hate to take this excellent one off topic

Thanks for your moving story about your inability to have any fun in UO.

There's a middle ground to be found between excessive bullying styles of play and necessary risk. But Eve is certainly not going to find it. Nobody is going to convince me that I need to put up with the crap that this game hands out in order to have a good time playing a game.

Agreed, OP. Trammel was a horrible idea and it outright killed the community. EvE is a sandbox - some want to collect the sand and build sandcastles. Some want to kick the sand in your face and others just want to admire the sand they're selling.

Eh, you get the idea.