EVE General Discussion

Because I wanna shoot people, violence boats, blow **** up, you see? If I can't find anyone to shoot or the reds are all docked up I will look for victims, (hapless miners who wanna do nothing but mine in a pvp-centric game) stop being a victim.

BUMPING FOR GOOD MEASURE!!

You made me think of a story!

Story Time!

Back in 2003, I used to play this incredibly terrible 8 bit PVP game that was free. I don't know why but it held my attention for a long time despite being very, very terrible. For those wondering, you can look it up to see how terrible it was. It was called Well of Souls. And it was terrible.

But the PVP was pretty compelling actually. Really compelling. There were just enough ways to win that every fight was different.

Anyway, one of the most prevalent things noobs did in this game was run away from PVP. See, PVP happened in a "camp" and you could "leave camp." Which gave rise to the derisive, "Run it, noob!" Which was reiterated any time anyone ever left the camp without taking their loss. Which happened all the time, as people are risk-averse and wish to pad their stats even in 8 bit crappy PVP games.

Fast-forward to Eve: Miners could take a cue from the noobs of Well of Souls. If they take the right precautions they can always clear the field before the gankers engage. Only by being more brave than anybody could reasonably expect and basically clumping in stationary (non-running-noob) packs do they risk anything at all.

The moral of the story? Why not run it, noobs?

It's called desperation when you have to call vicious mockery and laughter "whining."

Also, mine aligned and warp at the first sign of a neutral. Yes, this means you can't mine AFK safely.

There are other professions in Eve that earn higher income levels than mining. All of them are at least partially ATK, too.

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I really just wanted to limit my reply to "LOL" though if we're being honest here.

Miners. Get instalocking arty canes in your fleets. Problem solved.

There is nothing wrong with doing nothing but mining (or other industrial activities) in a PVP centered game. There are some of us who interpret "PVP" to mean "Predator vs Prey" and take joy in economic activities while dodging gankers. Truth be told, I wouldn't enjoy being an industrialist nearly as much if I didn't have the threat of gankers looming over me. It not only makes me plan my economic activities more carefully to reduce risk, it makes me refine my craft to maximize my isk so that even if I do get ganked a couple times, I still ultimately profit from my efforts.

It is this fact that makes me put more thought and effort into this game then any other game I've played. It also makes successfully reaping the benefits of my activities all the more satisfying, knowing that the threat of loss and failure would snatch that away from me if I got careless. That is why I choose to live in low sec.

I *DO* agree that the whining is annoying and counter-productive. Risk-adverse industrialists should focus their energies on finding in-game ways to reduce their risk and thus improve their income rather than yelling on the forums in hopes that CCP will beat gankers with a nerf bat.

I'm only posting with an alt because my main account is unsubbed because I am broke as hell.

My main is Andrey Wartooth, a nullsec miner.

You're dead clever, you.

I like this post because I cannot understand a single sentence in it.

I get that you're french (I was born there, actually, though I've entirely lost my capacity for the language), but I have no earthly idea what you said there. If you could rephrase it (or maybe just post it in french so I could use google translate), maybe that would help the conversation?
I honestly can't understand the sentence, I don't troll people about their skill at speaking a second language when I have no such skill.