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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#401 - 2012-06-08 18:54:26 UTC
Alia Gon'die wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:

Do people actually wake up on a weekend and think to themselves: "**** yeah! I got the whole day off to do some mining!!"


No they actually get late to home, very tired because they had to RL PvP against their boss and colleagues all day long and just want to do something relaxing and light minded.


We call those slosh ops. Get drunk and shoot some people

in the face


You are a madman, obviously.


No, you're clearly an evil sociopath and morally equivalent to a member of Al Qaeda or the Waffen SS.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Alia Gon'die
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#402 - 2012-06-08 18:58:44 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
No More Heroes wrote:

Do people actually wake up on a weekend and think to themselves: "**** yeah! I got the whole day off to do some mining!!"


No they actually get late to home, very tired because they had to RL PvP against their boss and colleagues all day long and just want to do something relaxing and light minded.


We call those slosh ops. Get drunk and shoot some people

in the face


You are a madman, obviously.


No, you're clearly an evil sociopath and morally equivalent to a member of Al Qaeda or the Waffen SS.


Yes, this too.

Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about La Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.

Fatbottom Girl
Doomheim
#403 - 2012-06-08 19:30:25 UTC
The most excellent jihad is that for the conquest of self ~Sheikh Karttoon
Sun Win
#404 - 2012-06-08 20:02:31 UTC
Here's how to watch local: When you get to a system, check all the names in there. Now you know who is there. Now, [select all] that list. When someone new comes in, they won't be selected. Check them out.

If you have known gankers, or ganker corps, set them negative. Now you'll see an icon next to known threats. Maybe make an intel channel or browse kill boards for hulk kills. Set those people negative. You can browse during a mining op, using the in game browser.

Now you know how to use the most powerful intel system in game
Mean Old BlindGranny
Pimp Slap Piranhas
#405 - 2012-06-08 23:04:13 UTC
Darce Fenix wrote:
Alia Gon'die wrote:
This advice is literally EVERYWHERE on this forum. Probably on every couple of pages in this thread even.


It is everywhere in this thread in a vague, non-specific form, how the hell are you supposed to mine when aligned = "aligned to station and moving at 75% of max velocity" flying away from asteroids makes it a bit difficult to mine.

Watch local - for what exactly when there are 45+ people how do you watch one specific person enter the system?

What kind of tank will actually keep a group of suicide gankers from blowing a mining barge to pieces, it honestly seems doubtful in general?

The devil is in the details... or GoonSwarm based on some peoples opinions (not my own necessarily, as I've said before I understand the ideals Mittani claims to be working for even if I don't agree that the actions he's taking work towards those ideals)


Been working on the details, but definitely in the rough stages at the moment. But you should find some good info here:
https://sites.google.com/site/carebearshaveclaws/to-tank-or-not-to-tank

I am always happy to have folks send me corrections that need to be made to the site. Or if you have specific topics you want put in a step by step as well. I will work on an Align page and a "Who then hell are you?"-Watching local page.

Cheers!

a 38... a 39... whatever it takes to do the job... Or I will just hit you with my broom.
Nobani
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#406 - 2012-06-09 08:28:43 UTC
Darce Fenix wrote:

Fitting tank - Assuming this refers to shield extenders, DCUs, and Armor in low slots? If I'm missing anything advice would be appreciated.

Usually you just want to tank one layer -- either shield OR armor. This is because you only have a limited amount of grid for fitting tanking mods, so usually you get the best bang for your buck by ensuring all your resist mods and extenders/plates are either on Armor or Shields. Which you tank depends on a number of factors, but generally if you have extra mid slots, shield tank; if you have extra lows, armor tank. Note there are some low slot mods (mostly Power Diagnostic System) which help shield tanks, but no mid slot mods which help armor tanks. Also, regardless of what type of tank you choose, most PvP tanks should fit a DCU II. Trimark/CDFE rigs are very useful. If you shield tank, consider investing in Thermodynamics skill. You can overheat your hardeners to give you an unexpectedly large tank.

In addition to tank modules, you can also try fitting for agility (Nanofibers). I-Stabs increase agility more, but also increase your signature radius making you quicker to lock, which somewhat negates their usefulness.

To avoid getting ganked in high-sec you want to buffer tank; i.e. ensure your effective hit points (EHP) is as high as possible. This is because "all" you need to do is survive for until Concord shows up, and repairers will not be able to repair enough HP to make them worthwhile in that range of time. If you need to tank belt rats, you may need to compromise though.

Note that battleships can fit much stiffer tanks than dedicated mining ships, so are much, much less vulnerable to getting ganked.

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Watching local - This is kind of confusing for me, when there are 45 people in local how am I supposed to a note exactly who is coming in when it goes to 46? How am I to determine automatically that someone is on their way to gank me? Should I simply run back to a dock every time someone enters local (that seems incredibly counter-productive).

Try to mine in a system with fewer people in local. You might have to mine further away from Jita/in worse systems, but you will be safer. Gankers also tend to target busy systems because there's more likely to be targets there.

How you react depends on how much risk you are willing to take. At a minimum, this should mean aligning out when someone suspicious enters local. If you are in a system less than ~12AU from all the gates, you should be able to figure out what ship entered local through the directional scan. Destroyers, some cruisers, and T3 battlecruisers are the most commonly used ganking ships -- if you see these enter local, be very cautious.

Quote:

  • Staying Aligned - What exactly does this encompass? Simply aligning to the dock of your choice? I recall reading someone saying if your not aligned to the station and moving 75% of your speed towards it your not aligned, how exactly does one mine while moving away from the asteroid at 75% of max speed?

  • If you align towards an object at 75% of max speed, you can warp to that object with no delay. Aligning to the object at a slower speed will still decrease the amount of time taken to warp.

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  • Anything I'm Missing - Once again just started a short time ago and I'm interested in mining my way into science/industry but when I read this it almost seems like a doomed venture. I'm new to the game and definitely paying attention, keeping up on the information, and trying to keep in touch with the community but I don't see how a well fitted hulk could survive a suicide gank squad other than luck...\


  • You don't want to survive a suicide gank, you want to avoid being in that situation in the first place.


    • When you warp to an asteroid belt, bookmark an asteroid ~70km away, then warp off and warp back to that asteroid. If a ganker warps to your belt, it will take them a while to get close enough to gank you, and you have time to warp off. Note you can warp directly to objects > 150 km away, which is why you want to stay closer than that from the warp-in point.
    • If someone is getting close to you in a belt, or 10/20/30km away in the opposite direction from a celestial, they are probably trying to set up a warp-in on you.
    • Directional scan is your friend. You can use it to look for classes of ships which are commonly used for ganking, and combat scanner probes (used for getting warp-ins). You can also use it to figure out if someone is warping to you before they land on grid
    Makkal Hanaya
    Revenent Defence Corperation
    #407 - 2012-06-09 08:38:59 UTC
    Fatbottom Girl wrote:
    The real numbers behind emergent gameplay in this latest dev blog.

    http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=72833


    Poor low-sec.

    Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

    Slow P Oke
    Doomheim
    #408 - 2012-06-09 09:08:35 UTC
    FIRST
    Khadann
    Deep Core Mining Inc.
    Caldari State
    #409 - 2012-06-09 09:35:32 UTC
    OMG this thing is still around.
    Strong Black Woman
    Doomheim
    #410 - 2012-06-10 22:28:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Strong Black Woman
    In a nutshell, Inferno has been more of what the doctor ordered for the MMO genre's elder sandbox statesman. "We are on the cusp of breaking our all-time subscriber record right now," Olafsson told me, and that's no small feat for a polarizing title in a genre over which burnout and next-new-thing syndrome reign supreme.

    Will CCP let us know when they/we/us break this record?
    Ice Block
    Doomheim
    #411 - 2012-06-11 20:44:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Ice Block
    I dont care about miners, but why are you guys helping Goons making more and more money?
    They are just using propaganda on you...

    Moreover, i dont understand where is the fun about killing hulk in high sec.
    When i started playing Eve in 2007, i also killed some chinese farmer/bots/whatever mining in low sec.
    That was NOT fun, they never attacked back, and i've learned ZERO from this. I wasn't better in pvp.

    Want to du something really fun ? Go anywhere and do some real pvp.
    Killing miners sometimes is not a problem, but spending all your time during a month or more is ********.
    And you'll earn more money from any other activity.

    Goons can lobotomize your brain so easily people .... :D
    Proud and pathetic soldiers are happilly killing miners for the sake of mittani's wallet, gj guys !
    And for this, Goons really dominates Eve universe, no doubt about it.

    ps : yes my english is pathetic too :D
    Alavaria Fera
    GoonWaffe
    #412 - 2012-06-11 21:07:06 UTC
    Ice Block wrote:
    I dont care about miners, but why are you guys helping Goons making more and more money?
    They are just using propaganda on you...

    It isn't a lie, though. Straight up 100mil for every 10 exhumer kills.

    Try it yourself and see if you get 100mil.

    Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

    Wingmate
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #413 - 2012-06-12 13:54:04 UTC
    Ice Block wrote:
    I dont care about miners, but why are you guys helping Goons making more and more money?
    They are just using propaganda on you...

    Moreover, i dont understand where is the fun about killing hulk in high sec.
    When i started playing Eve in 2007, i also killed some chinese farmer/bots/whatever mining in low sec.
    That was NOT fun, they never attacked back, and i've learned ZERO from this. I wasn't better in pvp.

    Want to du something really fun ? Go anywhere and do some real pvp.
    Killing miners sometimes is not a problem, but spending all your time during a month or more is ********.
    And you'll earn more money from any other activity.

    Goons can lobotomize your brain so easily people .... :D
    Proud and pathetic soldiers are happilly killing miners for the sake of mittani's wallet, gj guys !
    And for this, Goons really dominates Eve universe, no doubt about it.

    ps : yes my english is pathetic too :D


    i am willing to bet this is a miner alt.

    Alavaria Fera wrote:
    It isn't a lie, though. Straight up 100mil for every 10 exhumer kills.

    Try it yourself and see if you get 100mil.


    not what he meant. it's propaganda because you don't realize how much goons are making every time someone buys a new hulk to replace the one that got blown up. yes, they pay you peanuts to encourage you to continue, but they make several times that amount per ten hulks thanks to owning so many of the moons that make what's required for hulk manufacturing.

    i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

    https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433

    HVAC Repairman
    Hedion University
    Amarr Empire
    #414 - 2012-06-12 13:59:05 UTC
    killing miners is akin to beating up kids to take their lunch money but instead of taking their lunch money the gankers are taking the souls of the miners

    jokes on them miners have no souls
    Alia Gon'die
    Outer Ring Applied Logistics
    #415 - 2012-06-12 14:04:41 UTC
    Wingmate wrote:
    Ice Block wrote:
    I dont care about miners, but why are you guys helping Goons making more and more money?
    They are just using propaganda on you...

    Moreover, i dont understand where is the fun about killing hulk in high sec.
    When i started playing Eve in 2007, i also killed some chinese farmer/bots/whatever mining in low sec.
    That was NOT fun, they never attacked back, and i've learned ZERO from this. I wasn't better in pvp.

    Want to du something really fun ? Go anywhere and do some real pvp.
    Killing miners sometimes is not a problem, but spending all your time during a month or more is ********.
    And you'll earn more money from any other activity.

    Goons can lobotomize your brain so easily people .... :D
    Proud and pathetic soldiers are happilly killing miners for the sake of mittani's wallet, gj guys !
    And for this, Goons really dominates Eve universe, no doubt about it.

    ps : yes my english is pathetic too :D


    i am willing to bet this is a miner alt.

    Alavaria Fera wrote:
    It isn't a lie, though. Straight up 100mil for every 10 exhumer kills.

    Try it yourself and see if you get 100mil.


    not what he meant. it's propaganda because you don't realize how much goons are making every time someone buys a new hulk to replace the one that got blown up. yes, they pay you peanuts to encourage you to continue, but they make several times that amount per ten hulks thanks to owning so many of the moons that make what's required for hulk manufacturing.


    OTEC is made up of goon-oriented alliances, non-goon alliances, and even anti-goon alliances. OTEC was basically formed to try and put pressure on getting ring mining pushed through.

    Self-appointed forums hallway monitor Ask me about La Maison and what it means for you! http://bit.ly/LTW5gW These wardec rules are not in place for our protection. They're in place for yours.

    MasterEnt
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #416 - 2012-06-12 16:00:54 UTC
    Hitler, Stalin, Nero, Cain.... history proves over and over, people are suckers for a ******.
    MasterEnt
    The Scope
    Gallente Federation
    #417 - 2012-06-12 16:07:32 UTC
    Wingmate wrote:
    Ice Block wrote:
    I dont care about miners, but why are you guys helping Goons making more and more money?
    They are just using propaganda on you...

    Moreover, i dont understand where is the fun about killing hulk in high sec.
    When i started playing Eve in 2007, i also killed some chinese farmer/bots/whatever mining in low sec.
    That was NOT fun, they never attacked back, and i've learned ZERO from this. I wasn't better in pvp.

    Want to du something really fun ? Go anywhere and do some real pvp.
    Killing miners sometimes is not a problem, but spending all your time during a month or more is ********.
    And you'll earn more money from any other activity.

    Goons can lobotomize your brain so easily people .... :D
    Proud and pathetic soldiers are happilly killing miners for the sake of mittani's wallet, gj guys !
    And for this, Goons really dominates Eve universe, no doubt about it.

    ps : yes my english is pathetic too :D


    i am willing to bet this is a miner alt.



    Irrelevant if he is. Killing hisec miners is talentless and boring as all f@ck. Everone doing it is bringing down eve.
    Wingmate
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #418 - 2012-06-12 16:16:59 UTC
    if it's boring, why do people still do it? mining is boring but it makes isk. missions are boring, but they make isk. therefore...

    i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

    https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=197433

    Pisov viet
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #419 - 2012-06-12 16:38:17 UTC
    Quote:

    not what he meant. it's propaganda because you don't realize how much goons are making every time someone buys a new hulk to replace the one that got blown up. yes, they pay you peanuts to encourage you to continue, but they make several times that amount per ten hulks thanks to owning so many of the moons that make what's required for hulk manufacturing.

    I do realize. I also realize this also helps my alliance. And that I would suicide gank anyway, because it's a fun thing to do. What was your point again?
    RubyPorto
    RubysRhymes
    #420 - 2012-06-12 18:00:55 UTC
    MasterEnt wrote:
    Wingmate wrote:
    Ice Block wrote:
    I dont care about miners, but why are you guys helping Goons making more and more money?
    They are just using propaganda on you...

    Moreover, i dont understand where is the fun about killing hulk in high sec.
    When i started playing Eve in 2007, i also killed some chinese farmer/bots/whatever mining in low sec.
    That was NOT fun, they never attacked back, and i've learned ZERO from this. I wasn't better in pvp.

    Want to du something really fun ? Go anywhere and do some real pvp.
    Killing miners sometimes is not a problem, but spending all your time during a month or more is ********.
    And you'll earn more money from any other activity.

    Goons can lobotomize your brain so easily people .... :D
    Proud and pathetic soldiers are happilly killing miners for the sake of mittani's wallet, gj guys !
    And for this, Goons really dominates Eve universe, no doubt about it.

    ps : yes my english is pathetic too :D


    i am willing to bet this is a miner alt.



    Irrelevant if he is. Killing hisec miners is talentless and boring as all f@ck. Everone doing it is bringing down eve.


    And Mining requires talent, drive, and is scintillating gameplay?

    "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon