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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#261 - 2012-06-01 19:13:29 UTC
Question: can't all these afk hisec miners who just LOVE solo afk hisec mining just go do it on sisi? If you really are enjoying mindlessly grinding roids and not competing or interacting with others, then I have no idea why you'd play on tq at all, it just opens up interruptions to your game enjoyment.

My guess is that it's a lot like all those incursion runners who just LOVED the cooperative gameplay, but now that the risk/rewards are balanced are nowhere to be found.
Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#262 - 2012-06-01 19:17:20 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Read my post above you. It answers the questions. I don't bot, but I only come back every 10-13 minutes while mining during TV commercial breaks to haul my ore back.


That's exactly what is wrong about highsec mining. If people are still able to do that, ganking hasn't gone far enough.

You might not technically be using a third party program, but come on - this is as close to botting as a person can get without actually using a bot. You are not playing a game at that point, you are not putting any effort into the game and you shouldn't be allowed to reap any profit from it. Stop complaining.


I want you to make a youtube video of your self (with a WEBCAM so I can see you at your computer) staring at your screen watching your Hulk/Covetor mining asteroids for one to two hours for a smallest amount of profit that a veteran player can make per hour.

Once you do it for...twenty minutes... your respect for miners will increase quite a bit.


Also if you really hate bots, why don't you gank mission bots? They pull more income than mining bots.
Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#263 - 2012-06-01 19:18:23 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Question: can't all these afk hisec miners who just LOVE solo afk hisec mining just go do it on sisi? If you really are enjoying mindlessly grinding roids and not competing or interacting with others, then I have no idea why you'd play on tq at all, it just opens up interruptions to your game enjoyment.

My guess is that it's a lot like all those incursion runners who just LOVED the cooperative gameplay, but now that the risk/rewards are balanced are nowhere to be found.

It's hard to brag about your junk size on SiSi.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#264 - 2012-06-01 19:24:38 UTC
Toman Armane wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Read my post above you. It answers the questions. I don't bot, but I only come back every 10-13 minutes while mining during TV commercial breaks to haul my ore back.


That's exactly what is wrong about highsec mining. If people are still able to do that, ganking hasn't gone far enough.

You might not technically be using a third party program, but come on - this is as close to botting as a person can get without actually using a bot. You are not playing a game at that point, you are not putting any effort into the game and you shouldn't be allowed to reap any profit from it. Stop complaining.


Clicking on a roid and starting your mining laser takes effort, regardless of how little. Just because you choose to use your game time with other avenues and effort, doesn't mean what they do is wrong. It;s just not your way. That's what is cool about Eve....


Well, they do get some reward for their effort. Their cargohold does in fact start to fill up. I think that'S easily enough reward for their "effort". They want more, like protection from other players, they better put up more effort than one mouseclick, though ;)


And for the record, i am an industrialist. I build things. I want others to mine, so i don't have to do it. But i'd rather see those that put more effort into what they do get more rewards for their game than those that click once every 20 minutes. Really not much more too it, and it baffles me how afk miners can still keep on thinking that they are actually entitled to anything. If AFKers like that Dei Opus guy get their way, it's hurting the legitimate miners more than any Hulkageddon ever could.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Spikeflach
Perkone
Caldari State
#265 - 2012-06-01 19:27:55 UTC
Toman Armane wrote:
Spikeflach wrote:
If anyone should be worried about anyone in a physical confrontation, you should be worried about the person you plan to attack.

Because no matter how skilled you supposedly think you are, it is very possible you may fail and possibly get your own butt kicked.



Who said I plan to attack him? Pretty sure "I'm going to attack the kid" wasn't anywhere in my post. Will be fun to see what happens next year though. And I'm not worried about a thing, thanks for the concern though little one.


Hehe, i'm just saying this in general for anyone who plans on engaging someone they assume they can kick the crap out of.

Not pointing any fingers. :)
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#266 - 2012-06-01 19:30:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Beckie DeLey
Le Dei Opus wrote:
I want you to make a youtube video of your self (with a WEBCAM so I can see you at your computer) staring at your screen watching your Hulk/Covetor mining asteroids for one to two hours for a smallest amount of profit that a veteran player can make per hour. Once you do it for...twenty minutes... your respect for miners will increase quite a bit. Also if you really hate bots, why don't you gank mission bots? They pull more income than mining bots.

Mining? Me? Hell no. I am not stupid. I have to work in Real life, why would i voluntarily choose to be the lower class in a video game that allows me to build empires? I'd rather be an industrialist and capitalize on those that can't even put a minimal amount of effort into what they are doing, thank you :smug:

While i do hate bots, i don't really see much difference between an AFK miner and a bot. You are not at the keyboard and get something for it. There is a slight difference, but it's minimal.

I don't gank either, because it's not what i do in the game. But i do support the gankers, they are making the game more rewarding for those that deserve it.

Also, requesting a Youtube vid of me playing? Creepy, dude!

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Toman Armane
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#267 - 2012-06-01 19:31:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Toman Armane
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Toman Armane wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Read my post above you. It answers the questions. I don't bot, but I only come back every 10-13 minutes while mining during TV commercial breaks to haul my ore back.


That's exactly what is wrong about highsec mining. If people are still able to do that, ganking hasn't gone far enough.

You might not technically be using a third party program, but come on - this is as close to botting as a person can get without actually using a bot. You are not playing a game at that point, you are not putting any effort into the game and you shouldn't be allowed to reap any profit from it. Stop complaining.


Clicking on a roid and starting your mining laser takes effort, regardless of how little. Just because you choose to use your game time with other avenues and effort, doesn't mean what they do is wrong. It;s just not your way. That's what is cool about Eve....


Well, they do get some reward for their effort. Their cargohold does in fact start to fill up. I think that'S easily enough reward for their "effort". They want more, like protection from other players, they better put up more effort than one mouseclick, though ;)


And for the record, i am an industrialist. I build things. I want others to mine, so i don't have to do it. But i'd rather see those that put more effort into what they do get more rewards for their game than those that click once every 20 minutes. Really not much more too it, and it baffles me how afk miners can still keep on thinking that they are actually entitled to anything. If AFKers like that Dei Opus guy get their way, it's hurting the legitimate miners more than any Hulkageddon ever could.



I'm with ya on that. The rewards that an AFK miner is getting falls greatly in comparison though to those that don't, or those that do other things. Atleast that's what I am led to beleive, being a miner myself (not the afk type). If they afk mine and get blown up, oh well, their own fault, and no one elses. My issue is with the little kid running the Goons that puts a bounty on the legit miners. If there were no miners in this game it would not exist, period. He is just trying to increase his already upper hand on the hulk market. Take out all hulks, more people buy them, prices may go down, but people still buy. And who controls most of the mats for Hulks...

Actually that isn't even my issue. He is playing how he wants, and his little goons are doing the same. Good for them, that's what the game should be, playing how you want. His little fan fest rant is what get's me. We will see what he has to say at next years event though, in person.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#268 - 2012-06-01 19:36:06 UTC
Toman Armane wrote:
My issue is with the little kid running the Goons that puts a bounty on the legit miners. If there were no miners in this game it would not exist, period. He is just trying to increase his already upper hand on the hulk market. Take out all hulks, more people buy them, prices may go down, but people still buy. And who controls most of the mats for Hulks...


Personally, i adore this whole scheme of holding the Tech supply, strangling Hulk supply, burning markets and making filthy amounts of ISK with it. I do look up to it and hope to one day maybe be a part of something similar. The marketeers behind Hulkageddon, Burn Jita and OTEC are currently winning EVE and getting to the point where they are required them a tremendous amount of effort that a lowly miner can't even start to comprehend.

They deserve what they are reaping now as they put months of effort into pulling it off. It's metagaming at its finest and EVE is all about the metagame.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Toman Armane
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#269 - 2012-06-01 19:37:56 UTC
Agreed, think I edited that post as you were posting Big smile
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#270 - 2012-06-01 19:39:43 UTC
Tallian Saotome wrote:

Oh, and no, no one should have to subtract the price of your plex. Most nullsec pilots don't make enough to plex 3-4 accounts, even with the fact that we allegedly make more than anyone but possibly WH guys. Why should someone who sits in effortless safety that they did not work for be able to?


I made enough to "plex 3-4 accounts" (4 to be exact) in 0.0 by doing L4 missions, selling pirate BPCs and similar. I was a friggin 20M SP character!

Are you guys really so bad?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#271 - 2012-06-01 19:42:35 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Read my post above you. It answers the questions. I don't bot, but I only come back every 10-13 minutes while mining during TV commercial breaks to haul my ore back.


That's exactly what is wrong about highsec mining. If people are still able to do that, ganking hasn't gone far enough.

You might not technically be using a third party program, but come on - this is as close to botting as a person can get without actually using a bot. You are not playing a game at that point, you are not putting any effort into the game and you shouldn't be allowed to reap any profit from it. Stop complaining.


Why? I had 2 industry alts in Initiative alliance, I alt tabbed all the time, the place was a total desolace 23/7.
Nobody came to gank anything and I did not have to sift thru 100 people in local or spam D-scan just to hope somebody is not incoming to melt my ass.

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Kyt Thrace
Lightspeed Enterprises
Goonswarm Federation
#272 - 2012-06-01 19:44:35 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:

Oh, and no, no one should have to subtract the price of your plex. Most nullsec pilots don't make enough to plex 3-4 accounts, even with the fact that we allegedly make more than anyone but possibly WH guys. Why should someone who sits in effortless safety that they did not work for be able to?


I made enough to "plex 3-4 accounts" (4 to be exact) in 0.0 by doing L4 missions, selling pirate BPCs and similar. I was a friggin 20M SP character!

Are you guys really so bad?



It is not that we are really that bad, it is that we REALLY have a life outside of Eve. :P

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#273 - 2012-06-01 19:47:38 UTC
Toman Armane wrote:
Agreed, think I edited that post as you were posting Big smile


Yay, group hug!

By the way, i think these are actually good times to get into mining. If you are smart, there is a decent amount of money in it at the moment. Smart miners can very much profit from the reduced opposition by dumb miners. And mineral prices are on a fairly high level anyways.




@VV:
Of course. Having access to a part of null that is being held by an alliance is of course a boon for every miner, as you can profit from the effort others put into securing that space. If i were a miner, i'd get my ass into nullsec ASAP.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#274 - 2012-06-01 19:49:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Kyt Thrace wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Tallian Saotome wrote:

Oh, and no, no one should have to subtract the price of your plex. Most nullsec pilots don't make enough to plex 3-4 accounts, even with the fact that we allegedly make more than anyone but possibly WH guys. Why should someone who sits in effortless safety that they did not work for be able to?


I made enough to "plex 3-4 accounts" (4 to be exact) in 0.0 by doing L4 missions, selling pirate BPCs and similar. I was a friggin 20M SP character!

Are you guys really so bad?



It is not that we are really that bad, it is that we REALLY have a life outside of Eve. :P


Then you could play better, instead of playing harder.

Edit:

sorry I really sound like a jerk

/blames self taught English

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#275 - 2012-06-01 19:57:19 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:

@VV:
Of course. Having access to a part of null that is being held by an alliance is of course a boon for every miner, as you can profit from the effort others put into securing that space. If i were a miner, i'd get my ass into nullsec ASAP.


Well, by reading the guy I was replying to, it looked like he had a dramatic life where he has literally live on a razor, all nerves tense like a violin.

It's not. I have also been putting the "effort" at securing the space (read: gate camping) and it's really nothing special, it's easier than low sec camping. It's just boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooring, like mining. Inbounds are like 10 guys a day, most are max 2-3 ships.

The keyword for my life in 0.0 was just that one: spending the day being bored. At least in hi sec I can remote trade the markets, chat with somebody in local, sit at a gate and look at people come and go.
In 0.0 outside of prime time + corp / allianec op it was crazy boring, to the point I'd do L4 missions and some anoms. I even mined gas, figures Oops

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Le Dei Opus
Doomheim
#276 - 2012-06-01 20:05:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Le Dei Opus
Beckie DeLey wrote:
. If AFKers like that Dei Opus guy get their way, it's hurting the legitimate miners more than any Hulkageddon ever could.


Explain to me what "Legitimate Mining" means. Does it mean staring at your screen for two hours watching a pixel laser strike a pixel asteroid?

You people need to either PUT UP or SHUT UP. Make a video of yourself at the keyboard mining for 2+ hours doing nothing but mining and spamming D-scan. Then come back to me. You should be happy there's people that do it at all, no matter how they do it, otherwise your game would crash completely. We should be thanked, not be made ridiculed by all other populations of EvE.

Also, since you said you "actually have a life" why does semi-afk mining in A GAME bother you then?
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#277 - 2012-06-01 20:17:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Beckie DeLey
Le Dei Opus wrote:
Beckie DeLey wrote:
. If AFKers like that Dei Opus guy get their way, it's hurting the legitimate miners more than any Hulkageddon ever could.


Explain to me what "Legitimate Mining" means. Does it mean staring at your screen for two hours watching a pixel laser strike a pixel asteroid?


Aligning your ship, fitting your Hulk correctly, watching local, checking intel are mining related activities as far as i understand. Market research as well, i guess. For all i care you can check the markets and get into trading while mining or chat up your corp mates and/or post d**k jokes in local. Just play the f******g game and don't go afk or you deserve not even a single piece of rock.

Surviving in highsec is not hard. All that is required is being at your keyboard and be playing. If you are not at your keyboard for more than 10 seconds, you better dock up or else you deserve to be blown into bits for being indistinguishable from a bot.

Yes, mining is boring. But you chose at as your profession, so you are to blame if you are not entertained enough. If you think it sucks, then do something more engaging. EVE has plenty to do for everyone.

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Beckie DeLey
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#278 - 2012-06-01 20:17:40 UTC
so good, i had to post it twice

My siren's name is Brick and she is the prettiest.
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#279 - 2012-06-01 21:06:52 UTC
Beckie DeLey wrote:
Toman Armane wrote:
My issue is with the little kid running the Goons that puts a bounty on the legit miners. If there were no miners in this game it would not exist, period. He is just trying to increase his already upper hand on the hulk market. Take out all hulks, more people buy them, prices may go down, but people still buy. And who controls most of the mats for Hulks...


Personally, i adore this whole scheme of holding the Tech supply, strangling Hulk supply, burning markets and making filthy amounts of ISK with it. I do look up to it and hope to one day maybe be a part of something similar. The marketeers behind Hulkageddon, Burn Jita and OTEC are currently winning EVE and getting to the point where they are required them a tremendous amount of effort that a lowly miner can't even start to comprehend.

They deserve what they are reaping now as they put months of effort into pulling it off. It's metagaming at its finest and EVE is all about the metagame.



QFT.

Just thinking about it and the possibility of it happening is awesome, and is what generates so much fuss in the media other games only dream of getting.

As for the tear people, things only got to this point because players let it happen. We do not dominate all of EVE, but its certain we have the most drive to accomplish things instead of just renting space as other powerblocs do.

[b]~ 10.058 ~

Free The Mittani[/b]
BiaXia
Perkone
Caldari State
#280 - 2012-06-02 04:04:06 UTC  |  Edited by: BiaXia
Vile rat wrote:
Here's the thing though. We don't need money and we don't need silly gimmicks to make money. Fun fact: The CFC is holding a cooking competition where the prize pool is 45 billion isk. That's right, 45b just for cooking an awesome meal. We pay our pilots to lose ships not only in fleet, but not in fleet goofing off in overpriced pimp ships. Like that? Yeah, it's pretty darn cool. I just burned a stack of isk just cause, just now.

You think we need silly gimmicks to raise the price of tech? That's effort. The market does all the work for us and we just throw money around like it's happy sillytime. That's also the reason we pay for hulkageddon, it's just fun to do and it's hilarious to watch how people react when we do it. What's even better is watching others get in on the fun and learn how awesome it is to do and how much rage is generated.

So there you go. You don't need to spin wackjob conspiracy theories to nail down why this is happening, just go to the most simple one. It's fun and really doesn't break the bank to support so it's a no brainer to encourage it to continue.


I run this cooking contest. I seriously get absolutely ******** amounts of isk to give to people for cooking things. For this next round, I'm probably going to buy a shuttle and fill it with goggles, just because.

I probably will give it to someone who didn't even enter the contest.