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PVP intense or Virtual Universe?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-05-29 20:31:02 UTC
Owena Owoked wrote:
For a ship that is supposed to be a miner in low and null sec it is pathetically weak.


the problem here is that you want to do everything solo in the popular single player game EVE Online

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-05-29 20:51:07 UTC
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Obviously CCP makes real money off of Hulkageddon, by miners replacing losses


lol what

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-05-29 20:52:12 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Ituhata Saken wrote:
Oraac Ensor wrote:
I don't see how CCP can make real money from Hulkageddon.

More likely to lose money if players rage-quit. (Not a rational response, but I'm sure some will do it).


Balanced by the players who will open their wallets and buy a plex to replace their losses. The trick is to retain players willing to spend more than 15$ a month on a game.



So what's the point of mining if they don't make isk off of that?



I'm assuming the ones making isk enough to replace their losses and remain profitable aren't running to the forums to whine about it. I could be horribly, horribly wrong.

EDIT: or rage quitting.


well no ****. it's a free market economy. all miners now make more money per hour. So only fake miners are bitching.

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Sarah Schneider
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2012-05-29 21:33:34 UTC
Khadann wrote:


I don't think the initial goal of EVE PVP was to make pvpers kill industrialists.
People tend to forget that PVP is mainly about fighter VS fighter. Not that retarted gank gameplay some players are so proud of.

Also, Jita, the system with the more kills! Somehting's wrong right?
Should you not be in 0.5-0.0, doing piew piew against frigates and batlecruisers, instead of targeting esay preys?
(you, meaning gankers in general, not you particulary Ker)




There is no such thing as an 'initial goal of EVE PVP'. Eve is a sandbox.
There is no rule that says that X ship can only kill Y ship. Eve is a sandbox.
There is no rule that says hisec can't have more kills than any other system sec. Eve is a sandbox.
You can't tell people to do things the way you want them to be. Eve is a sandbox.
Easy prey is something you do, or something you chose to be, not some side effect of someone else's actions.

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Ker Rednif
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-05-31 20:29:32 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Khadann wrote:




1) There is no such thing as an 'initial goal of EVE PVP'. Eve is a sandbox.
2) There is no rule that says that X ship can only kill Y ship. Eve is a sandbox.
3) There is no rule that says hisec can't have more kills than any other system sec. Eve is a sandbox.
4) You can't tell people to do things the way you want them to be. Eve is a sandbox.
5) Easy prey is something you do, or something you chose to be, not some side effect of someone else's actions.



1) True
2) True
3) True
4) True (That's how it is advertised.)
5) False (This statement is false because it is not always true. How you play is the side effect of how CCP wants the game to be played.)
Little Brat
Provincia Septim Reborn
#46 - 2012-05-31 20:30:50 UTC
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Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#47 - 2012-06-02 10:10:23 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Owena Owoked wrote:
For a ship that is supposed to be a miner in low and null sec it is pathetically weak.


the problem here is that you want to do everything solo in the popular single player game EVE Online

What does solo have anything to do with the "Hulks" tank? Even with boosts and tank it would only take a couple volleys from a destroyer to kill it. The ability to only barely fit a small shield extender on it is sad for a ship of its size.

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-06-02 10:14:29 UTC
Ker Rednif wrote:
A hulk is supposed to be a low sec mining ship, but it can be solo ganked by a destroyer in high sec. Anyone see the imbalance there? That's one sided gaming philosophy that emphasizes PVP over all other activity. In other words the solo ganker can expect to gank solo with little cost or penalty, yet the solo miner cannot expect to mine solo.


Actually... You're so wrong.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#49 - 2012-06-02 13:04:07 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
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Disagree?

LOL, it is accounting, go study up on it if you don't understand the basic principles.

It is not a matter of opinion, that is how accounting works, PLEX is a product that was paid for but not delivered, it is a liability.


Plex is a non-existent product, CCP didn't manufacture anything, all it is is a card that says you have the right to play their game for another 30 days, nothing more. How much of a liability could it possibly be? Now when someone buys it, that's 30 days for someone in game and money for someone else, and real profit for CCP.

Now think about how many people in this game don't pay for their accounts and refuse to pay for it. Think about how many people would be dead broke if there was no way to buy in-game money, and would just quit after a while because it's too hard for them to replace their losses. This. Game. Would. Be. Dead. There's not a doubt in my mind.


Plex is an accounting Liability... kind of. Because they have your money and haven't provided the service yet, the books can't move the money into the "ours" column.

At the same time, the Plex system is great for CCP. People are paying $17.50 instead of $11-15 per month to play.

Having liabilities on your books just means you owe someone something, it's not a bad thing.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#50 - 2012-06-02 13:09:34 UTC
Baneken wrote:
Hulk would be fine if could actually fit something that resembles a tank in it such as X-large/large shield extender instead of small which doesn't make it immune but makes it more comfortable to use in null as far as NPC's are concerned.

A hulk can be tanked but then it's yield drops so low that you might as well mine with mining cruiser which also happens to tank better while packing a punch (especially vexor).
So yeah for a +200mil ship a hulk is quite fragile for it's purpose.


A well tanked hulk fits a 30k EHP. That's pretty much breakeven for a Catalyst gank. Add Shield gang boosts from your orca and it's a loss. Add RR on field and it's a massive loss. That's with an MSEII.

The yield on it is still better than a Covetor or Rokh. Stop being hyperbolic.

Here are some options you might try during this trying time.

1. Continue Mining like normal and Accept the losses
2. Continue Mining as normal but in a Covetor and Accept the losses
3. Mine in a Rokh, comfortably immune* to Suicide Ganks
4. Tank your Hulk and Accept a lower number of Losses from edge case profit based ganks.
5. Tank your Hulk with RR and be comfortable immune to Suicide Ganks
6. Mine in a Normally Fit Hulk but use a short range D-Scan to escape ganks
7. Set up safespots such that you can maintain a rough orbit in range of a roid by aligning to each BM in turn
8. Set up Hulks to Web each other, mine aligned to 1 SS at 7m/s (warpable speed) (can be done @ max yield)
9. Watch local for known gankers, accept the occasional gank from unknown ganks
10. Mine in Mission pockets
11. Mine in Grav Sites, occasionally scanning D-Scan
12. Tank your Hulk and have friends in BLAP AC Nados ready to shoot (one should kill a Cat before you die, failing the gank)
13. Tank your Hulk and have friends with ECM
14. Tank your Hulk and run 5x Med ECM drones and accept that you'll die if they fail
15. Mine in Lowsec (can be done solo in a quiet system)
16. Mine in Null (can be done solo in a quiet NPC sov system)
17. Mine in WH space

*all cases of immunity from Suicide Ganks assume profit-based ganks. Non-Profit based ganks are rare and are not something that can be negated by game mechanics changes besides eliminating ganks, thus can be ignored.

All of these options have advantages and disadvantages. All of them will work. Not all of them are perfect.

If ALL of these options do not work for you, please describe your very special situation.

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