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New to the game, and very nervous

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Yuriko Deathstrike
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-05-29 09:10:41 UTC
Cael Sunder wrote:
Dang, I'm now even more scared.



Dont worry, if you die you wake up in a clone :P

But srsly, find some way to make ISK and pick a career path that interests you. Always have a fallback plan for when your primary ship gets blown up, like have a spare ship (or a few) that is already fitted or save up a bunch of ISK. This isnt like WoW where the objective is to get pretty pixels and then AFK on the Ironforge bridge. Know that every ship or item you get will get blown up eventually, and plan accordingly.

Also dont be like some noobs and immediately after the tutorials, sell off all your assets and ships and use all your ISK to buy a shiny cruiser only to get it blown up.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#22 - 2012-05-29 10:43:37 UTC  |  Edited by: J'Poll
Is EVE harsh, Yes it is.
Can you be killed in space in EVE, Yes you can.
Is EVE build mainly around PvP, Yes it is.
Will you be killed in EVE, Yes you will eventually.

Will you be killed EVERYTIME you undock, No unless you want too.



EVE can be very harsh and PvP centric. But there is still plenty of room to fly around "safe-ish".

Just keep in mind that in high-sec shooting someone without legit reason will mean CONCORD will punish the offender and he also gets a sec status hit (means if he does it too much he can't enter high-sec without being chased by NPC ships that want to kill him).

So unless you make yourself a big target in high-sec, you are quite safe to do what ever you want.

Here is a great example of how you make yourself a big target in high-sec. *Yes, that is me in my early game days*

Mining ships also tend to be targets of grievers but they have limited ability to do something. They can try to suicide gank you but it hardly pays off (unless Hulkageddon is active and they compete for the prizes). The other thing they might try is can flip you and hope you return fire, as long as you don't they can't shoot you.

On the other hand, low-sec and null-sec (0.0 & Wormholes) are quite PvP heavy and if you go there expect your ship to be lost (better expect to loose it and return home safely then think you will return and loose your ship).



The golden rule of EVE:

Don't fly what you can't afford to loose.

This doesn't mean that you need to replace it. I fly certain ships that I by far can replace with my wallet. But I agree that using them comes with the risk of loosing the ship.

So as long as you have either the back up funds to replace a ship if it is lost (or already have 1 or more replacements) or are fine with the chance of loosing the ship, just use the ship.

Ships and modules are just tools to help you do what you like to do. And if you don't like PvP (or just want to wait for a bit to do it so you can learn the game mechanics) there are plenty of other things you could do.

Here is a nice site that lists what you can do in EVE. Keep in mind it isn't actually complete as EVE is player driven and players can do what they want to do. So you can even follow your own idea and make your own new profession.

EDIT:

Ooh and above all, keep in mind in EVE bigger isn't always better. Each ship from frigate up to titans have advantages and disadvantages. Frigates are cheap, fast, nimble ships but with low punch compared to battleships. Then again, battleships have large guns that will have trouble keeping track of a fast nimble ship. So a BS vs Frig fight doesn't always mean that the BS wins (he can, but same can be said for the frigate).

See the size of guns as following:

Small guns in EVE are like pistols, if someone is driving a car around you, you can easily keep up with him and shoot him.
Big guns in EVE are like a tank, if that same person starts driving around the tank. The turret won't be able to keep up with him.

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Sabotaged
Veritas Vincit
#23 - 2012-05-29 12:35:20 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
The number one rule of eve is don't fly what you can't afford to lose


That is some serious Gospel right there.
Harbonah
Short Bus Window Licker
#24 - 2012-05-29 13:09:03 UTC
Heres another rule of EVE especially around JITA.

1. If it seems like a good deal it probably is...... but only for the other party.

Check your trade contracts. Really good deals tend to be a SCAM. Prime example is buying a PLEX for 385 mill thinking your getting a good deal right? Nope, check the exchange. Yeah you might pay 385 mill but if you look down you'll notice the other guy wants to swap a PLEX for a PLEX too so essentially you just gave him 385 mill isk for free.
Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-29 14:18:52 UTC
Start loosing ships now. There interchangeable and there tools. Since death has always been obsolete in new eden you need to remember your ship is nothing more then the time it took to acquire it. Nothing more.

A strange thing to unlearn personally when you start doing hi efficiency stuff, but good things for new wow refugees to understand when they get into game.

By the way you need analyze your feelings a little more. Nervous? Scared? or what else could that be...?

Excitement?

A thrill perhaps?

Something wow never gave you because in it defeat is essentially meaningless.

If your from the states remember this. Other mmo's are Branson missouri

Eve is Vegas. The stakes are always high.

Eve is the only game that can put people into the physical state of "fight of flight." And its exhilirating.

Dont be afraid. PVP is eve's sweetest drug.

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#26 - 2012-05-29 14:29:13 UTC
Only problem with dying is that you have to go and get a new one; for me mostly because I'm so stingy with my wallet. POops

Though even more annoying is to forget to move your medical clone and wake up 40 jumps from where you died with nothing but a rookie ship and with a denied access to medical facility. OopsLol
Sugar Kyle
Middle Ground
#27 - 2012-05-29 14:31:13 UTC
Dying is hard at first. It's abnormal to what we are used to in many games. But you don't lose EXP, you don't lose skill training (update your clone)... you lose your ship.

I said to someone the other day, "Consider your ships your heath potions. Disposable things that you need"

I doubt many *like* losing ships but you have to be ready to accept that as part of what can and will happen. They are disposable. If you love it, don't fly it. Get a second one that is disposable.''

It gets easier each time.

The other day a fleet jumped into mine. local spiked. In the back of my mind I said, "i'm going to die." At that moment, I accepted it and just prepared for battle. It was a relief and increased my enjoyment and concentration on the task at hand. The task of the glorious pewpew.

Member of CSM9 and CSM10.

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-05-29 14:33:04 UTC
Baneken wrote:
Only problem with dying is that you have to go and get a new one; for me mostly because I'm so stingy with my wallet. POops

Though even more annoying is to forget to move your medical clone and wake up 40 jumps from where you died with nothing but a rookie ship and with a denied access to medical facility. OopsLol


What about jumping into a PvP battle, only by a miracle get out alive in your pod (10% structure left on it) to find out you:

1.) Took your training/high-sec pod filled with expensive implants.
2.) Your clone limit has been long passed.

Big smile I laughed when I noticed it after I docked, and even more when I remembered I recorded it all

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Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#29 - 2012-05-29 20:46:25 UTC
Though even more annoying is to lose your BS because you crashed in your "home system" after an op and when you log back in after 1/2 an hour your land back at the gate (12km) right next to roaming hostile fleet and consequently lose your ship. Evil

Hell, nearly lost my pod as well while trying to cover that remaining 12km in a slow ass BS. X
Blawrf McTaggart
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-05-29 20:59:51 UTC
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Flistir
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-05-29 21:09:59 UTC
The very best part of the EVE is that you need to take risks to succeed. Don't let it scare you away, getting back up after being knocked down is part of the charm.

ISK not spent towards getting something blown up - you or someone else - is ISK poorly spent. At first, it'll mostly be your wrecks floating through space. Eventually, you'll leave some other poor bastard floating there in his pod. Then you lean back and can't help but to smile. :)
Salem Aurilen
You Sunk My Battleship
#32 - 2012-05-29 21:12:37 UTC
Cael Sunder wrote:
So I've played a couple MMO's before mainly WoW. (Also SW tor and Rift) I've always read about how crazy Eve is and all that even my own father got into the game and I remember him telling me all these crazy stories. Like I said I was playing WoW so I wasn't interested.
Anyways, Eve is on sale on Steme for 7 dollars so I decided what the heck I'll try it. So I'm in the first hour or two in the game and I just cruise by a huge burning planet and my jaw drops. I immediately turn to my gf who's playing my Diablo account while I play Eve and have to show her. It looks gorgeous!
So I keep playing and playing slowly learning things about the game. How to do this or that and I do my first probe scan thing. When I finally got it down it felt awesome! I first looked on youtube then got some help from the incredible community.Which as you can tell WoW doesn't have. Anyways on to my point. Is there a safe way to play this game? I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. So guys, what tips or stories do you have about when you first started playing?


Don't die, death is awful instead do everything you can to tip the odd's of the fight in your favour and when things don't work out to always have a get-out plan and for when that plan is put on halt by the arrival of a Rapier/Arazu on grid then you do everything in your power to die kicking and screaming firing at everything you can and making your death as unpleasant to the enemy as you can before you go down or the falcon jam's you (For moments like those you have local smacktalk) and when you finally do die then reship and do it all over again.
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#33 - 2012-05-29 21:19:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Cloned S0ul
Hi Cael Sunder.

Dont try undersand all things about this game at once, this is impossible, even people who play 5-9 years still discovery this game and they dont know how it works... Take eve easy, made small step before jumping to another eve aspect.

GL
Myzmar Gnacius
V0LTA
WE FORM V0LTA
#34 - 2012-05-29 21:20:23 UTC
Also find some people from your country/timezone. EvE players tend to gather together in a national/regiona groups sometimes, perhaps that would make you more comfortable in the beginning. Then, go wherever you want, with whoever you want. Oh and yeah, don't worry about loosing the ships or even pod. It's a part of the game. Game on! :)
Tiberious Thessalonia
True Slave Foundations
#35 - 2012-05-29 21:22:31 UTC
I have to echo most of the advice in this thread. Dont be afraid of losing your ship now and again. Its a helpful thing, no matter what you do in this game, to get used to losing.

That said, also try a little bit of everything. Figure out your niche. Is it going to be running endless missions in hi-sec? Mining? exploration? Small-fleet combat? Getting into a giant Null-sec alliance and joining the sov-wars?

Theres a lot of things to do in EVE, and only about 10% of it is in hi-sec.

If you're looking to join the roleplaying angle, give me a message in game! Im usually up to chat with some newbies.
Gath'ran Gammigan
Corpmates.
Memento Moriendo
#36 - 2012-05-29 21:23:22 UTC
Welcome to EVE Online - one of the few gaming communities where the developers care enough about the newer players that they will occasionally throw up links to these forums on the login pages - just so you can get some advice from us :)

Don't be afraid of EVE. Everything is a learning experience, even death. It can be a hard transition from conventional MMOs where the sense of loss is heavily diminished. EVE makes you feel you losses... but that does not mean you cannot be the master of them.

I sincerely hope you get to encounter and encourage PVP to it's fullest.

The first time I died in EVE, I had accidentally wandered into low security space and was mining in my little Destroyer when I was murdered by a Loki (vastly outgunned but meh!).

The first time I went out looking for a fight, I died because I accidentally attacked a jumpgate, causing it's defensive guns to strafe me with violence (I failed hard!)

Yesterday, I led a fleet of 150 pilots as we ravaged another fleet and killed a dozen of their capital ships.

The longer you keep at it, the more you learn, and the better you get. :)
Lord Regent
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-29 21:24:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Lord Regent
Cael Sunder wrote:
So I've played a couple MMO's before mainly WoW. (Also SW tor and Rift) I've always read about how crazy Eve is and all that even my own father got into the game and I remember him telling me all these crazy stories. Like I said I was playing WoW so I wasn't interested.
Anyways, Eve is on sale on Steme for 7 dollars so I decided what the heck I'll try it. So I'm in the first hour or two in the game and I just cruise by a huge burning planet and my jaw drops. I immediately turn to my gf who's playing my Diablo account while I play Eve and have to show her. It looks gorgeous!
So I keep playing and playing slowly learning things about the game. How to do this or that and I do my first probe scan thing. When I finally got it down it felt awesome! I first looked on youtube then got some help from the incredible community.Which as you can tell WoW doesn't have. Anyways on to my point. Is there a safe way to play this game? I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. So guys, what tips or stories do you have about when you first started playing?



1.) NEVER TRUST ANYONE YOU DON'T KNOW. Scamming is 100% legal in this game, and they prey on "newbs" (which you are and will be for at least a month or two. Double/Triple your money adverts in the local channel are ALWAYS A SCAM. ALWAYS. NEVER TRUST ANYONE. Need I say it again? also, NEVER TRADE SHIPS IN THE TRADE WINDOW! It can appear that a ship is a much more valuable version, when in fact it isn't. always use contracts or the market.

2.) Join EVE universityhttp://www.eveuniversity.org/, or if you want to get right into fighting other players consider RvB http://rvbeve.com/forums/ join a player corp ASAP, friends are your friend in eve... don't stay in noobcorps/npc corps. also, DO NOT JOIN THE FIRST CORP THAT TRIES TO GET YOU. join the corp that YOU want to join. If they're desperate for you, don't be flattered, be suspicious as to their quality.

3.) Eve can get you down, if you get "ganked" in a prize ship, so to avoid that, don't fly something you can't afford to lose... stay relatively liquid (ISK instead of tons of ships)

4.) Evemail me if you have any questions, I'd be happy to help you out. Also, I'll send you 5 million ISK, just because I can :D

powers-sa: flaming deadtear is like lighting your own farts powers-sa: eventually you are going to singe your ass

Muskaos
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-05-29 21:30:28 UTC
I'm disappointed in you guys. A new pilot post without mentioning the eve learning curve picture?
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/devblog/2011/eve-learning-curve.jpg

Big smile
Cloned S0ul
POCKOCMOC Inc.
#39 - 2012-05-29 21:30:50 UTC
Gath'ran Gammigan wrote:
Welcome to EVE Online - one of the few gaming communities where the developers care enough about the newer players that they will occasionally throw up links to these forums on the login pages - just so you can get some advice from us :)



As old player i cant care about every newbi, i cant track every rooki system every topic, and every local, here enought people in rooki chat to help them, even we dont get acces for rooki chanels i mean old players, fact devs are responding for this.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#40 - 2012-05-29 21:38:28 UTC
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Is there a safe way to play this game?
No, but that's the great part about Eve. Anything you do (staying docked in itself doesn't count, because you aren't doing anything) has a risk to it. What fun would there be if there wasn't risk? The safest things you can do are probably staying in NPC corps and moving market orders or running missions. After a time though these aren't really fun, there's no risk P I recommend getting some experiance in PvP from Agony Unleashed or Red vs Blue and then move into a wormhole/lowsec/0.0 alliance


Quote:
I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. So guys, what tips or stories do you have about when you first started playing?

I had a hard time starting out too. I dabbled in 0.0, lowsec, and wormholes, but generally did PvE in those areas anyway because I was so horrible at PvP. Eventually you're just going to have to accept that you're horrible at it until you practice and get better, which means getting out there and doing it.

Like I said above, try some Agony Unleashed classes to get you started and maybe join something like Red vs Blue, which seems pretty polite as far as pvp standards go. Once you get used to that move up to something more serious, if you feel like it.