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New to the game, and very nervous

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Cael Sunder
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-29 00:15:15 UTC
So I've played a couple MMO's before mainly WoW. (Also SW tor and Rift) I've always read about how crazy Eve is and all that even my own father got into the game and I remember him telling me all these crazy stories. Like I said I was playing WoW so I wasn't interested.
Anyways, Eve is on sale on Steme for 7 dollars so I decided what the heck I'll try it. So I'm in the first hour or two in the game and I just cruise by a huge burning planet and my jaw drops. I immediately turn to my gf who's playing my Diablo account while I play Eve and have to show her. It looks gorgeous!
So I keep playing and playing slowly learning things about the game. How to do this or that and I do my first probe scan thing. When I finally got it down it felt awesome! I first looked on youtube then got some help from the incredible community.Which as you can tell WoW doesn't have. Anyways on to my point. Is there a safe way to play this game? I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level. So guys, what tips or stories do you have about when you first started playing?
gfldex
#2 - 2012-05-29 00:21:48 UTC
Cael Sunder wrote:
Is there a safe way to play this game?


You could stay docked. Can get you rich even but tends to be boring.

Sooner or later you lose ships. Good players earn more then they lose. Bad players are driven out of the game.

There are grim men our there. They will eat your soul. Consider yourself warned.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Cael Sunder
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-05-29 00:26:09 UTC
Dang, I'm now even more scared.
Iria Ahrens
Space Perverts and Forum Pirates
#4 - 2012-05-29 00:48:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Iria Ahrens
Go die a lot and then you wont fear dying anymore.

Really, I'm not joking or making fun. What separates the vet pvpers from the newbies is the vets have died so many times, they are able to keep everything in perspective when they fight.

If you don't have any isk, attack people with your rookie ships. Someone killed a tornado with a velator , and here's a velator vs. Oracle movie, same dude. What is better than flying a free ship?

The number one rule of eve is don't fly what you can't afford to lose, so if you fly cheap crap, and die, and you learn cheap lessons. Because you WILL die. Keep your medical clone up to date so you don't lose SP and you're golden.

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Cael Sunder
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-29 01:02:01 UTC
Iria Ahrens wrote:
Go die a lot and then you wont fear dying anymore.

Really, I'm not joking or making fun. What separates the vet pvpers from the newbies is the vets have died so many times, they are able to keep everything in perspective when they fight.

If you don't have any isk, attack people with your rookie ships. Someone killed a tornado with a velator , and here's a velator vs. Oracle movie, same dude. What is better than flying a free ship?

The number one rule of eve is don't fly what you can't afford to lose, so if you fly cheap crap, and die, and you learn cheap lessons. Because you WILL die. Keep your medical clone up to date so you don't lose SP and you're golden.



Alright thanks for the help! I appreciate it.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-29 01:04:58 UTC
You can also join Red vs Blue

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Cael Sunder
Perkone
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-05-29 01:14:23 UTC
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
You can also join Red vs Blue


I don't know what that is? Is that a community or something?
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#8 - 2012-05-29 01:16:47 UTC
t1 ships with insurance barely cost anything don't be afraid! staying in highsec is pretty safe, as long as you don't carry high value cargo/fittings.

you will want to get out to lowsec and 0.0 at some point, I'd suggest making sure to do all the tutorials first, and joining a player corp.

but when I first started I got in because a friend wanted me to. I screwed about for a few weeks then joined Idle Guns we did a ton of t1 frig pvp. tons of fun and didn't cost much. eventually you will probably want to go bigger, I can only encourage such behavior. hopefully you will have fun!

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Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#9 - 2012-05-29 01:19:21 UTC
Absolutely the above. And just to clarify, the "don't fly what you can't afford to lose" bit doesn't mean spending only spending half your isk on a ship, it means flying ships you can replace over and over and over again.

There are many ways to reduce risk, but ultimately every ship you fly is destined to become an exploding fireball. Sometimes just minutes after leaving the station.

That said, don't get intimidated by the big expensive ships you'll see flying around high sec, most of those won't ever see pvp, and every single one of them can be taken out by a small group of frigates.

Good luck, and have fun!
Cael Sunder
Perkone
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-29 01:21:26 UTC
Wow thanks guys for all the help. The community has been unbelievably helpful.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-29 01:21:30 UTC
go buy 10 cheap ships and fit them with cheap mods and go out and shoot someone. After you die a few times, it's not so bad
Peri Simone
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
#12 - 2012-05-29 01:22:16 UTC
Cael Sunder wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
You can also join Red vs Blue


I don't know what that is? Is that a community or something?


http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Red_Vs_Blue_(RvB)
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-05-29 01:54:55 UTC
A "school" that helps new players

Some people don't like E-U, but they now have (so far as I know) a low sec presence and a null sec presence. So it's possible to check out quite a bit there.

The also have a Wiki that you don't need to be a member to use:

The Wiki - There was some old info in there last I knew - just check dates.


GL to you!

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That's all you need to know.

Abbadon21
Ignotis Imperium
Usurper.
#14 - 2012-05-29 01:59:42 UTC
I understand how you feel... I felt that way when I started to. But the above posts are correct, if you want to do PVP you need to get over the fear of dying. Remind your self it's a game and get out and take risks.

PVP is the best part of EVE, the excitement and thrills of fights are unmatched by any other game.

Learn How PRO Players Make Billions of ISK and Dominate PVP: http://www.EVEProGuides.com

Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#15 - 2012-05-29 02:09:20 UTC
Cael Sunder wrote:
I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level.

Congratulations! You are yet another victim of drive-by philanthropy. Check your wallet.

I encourage you to fly recklessly and dangerously, without regard for loss. It is how you have the most fun in EVE.

I recommend losing a lot of frigates and destroyers to start.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-29 02:24:46 UTC
Tau Cabalander wrote:
Cael Sunder wrote:
I'm literally terrified now of dying. Which is weird to me since I absolutely love PvP but this game is on a whole new level.

Congratulations! You are yet another victim of drive-by philanthropy. Check your wallet.

I encourage you to fly recklessly and dangerously, without regard for loss. It is how you have the most fun in EVE.

I recommend losing a lot of frigates and destroyers to start.


Also running away like a little girl is fun because the chase gets the blood going Big smile

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-05-29 03:16:57 UTC
Easiest advice I can give on this - find a group and join them. A player run corporation.

Outside of that:

If you want to learn to escape, get involved in hunting. Those that get away show you how they did it as they burn away from you and that is information of value to you later on.

If you want to learn to hunt, try that escaping gig for a bit. Run camps, etc. It takes more skill to get away from a group that it does being part of a group taking down a target. If you know the limits from getting away, you'll know how to catch them.

The composite of the above will get you in a team and prep you for not being nervous about travel in this game.

Lastly - "trust" - it's not boolean, it's not something to give out easily.

Example: You may trust a ganker to provide info on how to pop someone and how to avoid being popped but I don't think you'd be all that wise to trust them to leave you alone as you fly an indy full of stuff to market.

Be conservative with who you trust and in what areas.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#18 - 2012-05-29 03:28:59 UTC
This game is one of the few where, barring one mistake, you never truely die.

Here is the one 'mistake': Forget to update your clone. That one little piece, the one place where you can lose skill points (SP) si your only 'true' downfall. Beyond that, you must consider anything you own as expendable. Once you get past the point that your 'material' possessions are important you can sit back and enjoy being you.

On a similar note, if you want to have 'learning implants' get a jump clone. There are corps you can join to create them after you train the skill. It is free, quick, and worth the time. (why CCP doesn't just start players with a jump clone is beyond me).

If you are a high-sec player, figure out what the 'cost' of your ship is. Work to 'pay it off' and then consider it destroyed. Any time you get out of that ship afterwards is simple 'bonus' time. Now, find an income stream (missions, mining, market, whatever) to allow you to feed that stream.

In my case, I can manufacture, research, trade, and mission level 4s. What do I fly in PVP? Frigates and destroyers. Why? Because I can spend one night a week 'earning isk' and then the next six nights getting blown up (never said I was good at PVP did i?)

Again, my only 'real' worry.... my SP. I use a jump clone... ok, I use an alt these days, but even he has a learning clone when I need a break and a combat clone (with cheap implants) when I want to battle my fellow man.

Once you get the 'income stream'by whatever means you care for, you can sit back and enjoy the game. It doesn't need to be a 'huge' income stream either. Hell, a single level 3 mission nets me 2-3 combat frigates for my faction warfare alt. If you want 'more stuff, just simply put an amount of money asie for that (investment).

Bottom line though, and something I would recommend every player do once, put all your isk and 'stuff' on an alt and see how long it takes you to get back to where you were. It isn't that hard, and once you experience it you can free yourself to do it again in to the game full force, should you fail.


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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-29 03:30:49 UTC
MadMuppet wrote:
This game is one of the few where, barring one mistake, you never truely die.

Here is the one 'mistake': Forget to update your clone. That one little piece, the one place where you can lose skill points (SP) si your only 'true' downfall. Beyond that, you must consider anything you own as expendable. Once you get past the point that your 'material' possessions are important you can sit back and enjoy being you.




Back in the day if you didn't update your clone you'd lose all the sp you trained past the sp level of the clone. It was entirely possible to be podded back into a noob clone Shocked

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-05-29 07:20:52 UTC
First of all:

Don't be afraid of loosing a ship. You will eventually loose a ship, the question is only when and where, not if.
Ships are just tools and you can choose to use cheap tools (aka frigates) at the start of your career.

Frigates don't cost much, drop an insurance on them and you get it partially paid back when you die. Now just go out and have fun.

In high-sec you are pretty safe as long as you don't make yourself a target:
- Flying a large ship as a new player who clearly lacks all the support skills
- Flying around with something really really valuable in your cargohold

As for my point of view, all my PvP ships have an intended lifetime of 1 PvP operation, if it survives and can be used in a 2nd it's a bonus. I just expect the worst but hope for the best, and that has paid out so far in EVE.

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