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Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#141 - 2012-05-28 19:47:53 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Er TLDR sorry let me clarify for the trying to be clever combat PVP.


That's the whole point. You're creating a false distinction. Everything you do costs somebody else the opportunity to do it (besides missions, but the antecedents to missioning also involve you in pvp), so it is pvp. The fact that you want to be able to engage in some forms of pvp while opting out of others is the very problem. Between wardecs and ganks, somebody can always reach out and touch you if they want to. As long as you're playing the game and competing with others, you are as vulnerable to the full spectrum of competition as anyone else, and you always will be.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#142 - 2012-05-28 19:48:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Er TLDR sorry let me clarify for the trying to be clever combat PVP.
But then you're not really answering the question. Combat is as much a part of highsec as of any of the other sec levels, and the activities you listed are as much a part of the other sec levels as they are of highsec.

You're making distinctions that aren't really there.

EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
So creating your own POS (outside of wartime) and using your own slots isnt PVP then?
Of course it is. Read what you quoted again.



Er but I am. Non combat pvp (just to make you happy) is more likely to be taken up by peeps who aren't interest in combat pvp and would like to undock without getting shot at when they go about there daily non combat pvp activities.

Tal
Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#143 - 2012-05-28 19:53:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaaeliaa
It's pretty simple. High security space is comprised of systems closest to the home systems of the four main, and most powerful, NPC power blocs. These four entities have an interest in protecting the space around their home systems, and thus, they have police patrols and sentry guns guarding their assets. These four blocs also assisted in the creation of a fifth, neutral, law enforcement agency known as CONCORD. CONCORD has vast resources and jurisdiction to prosecute known criminals, in an attempt to deter criminal actions in the systems where the majority of New Eden's non-capsuleer population lives. The four empires and CONCORD also have an interest in protecting capsuleers as well as they can, because capsuleers form a large portion of their supply chain to maintain their military and police forces.

High security space is an analogue to a densely populated city, specifically, a city that has grown around a manufacturing base and maintains a strong military and police presence in the interests of its own survival and prosperity.

Nullsec is frontier space. Just like the 1848 gold rush in the United States, people that are either brave, crazy, or some combination of both forego the protections of organized society in the hopes of discovering and exploiting untapped and valuable resources. In the process, they form their own communities and organize into units capable of defending themselves. Eventually, they become very much like the developed areas they left, especially if they have a nearly insurmountable advantage inherent to their territory that makes it simple to defend (jump gates).

And thus is the state of EVE. The fact that the game centers on us, the capsuleers, does not mean that the NPCs do not exist. There's your reason.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#144 - 2012-05-28 19:53:52 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Er but I am. Non combat pvp (just to make you happy) is more likely to be taken up by peeps who aren't interest in combat pvp and would like to undock without getting shot at when they go about there daily non combat pvp activities


Again, that's the whole point. You don't get to compete in one aspect while being protected from the others. What you're saying is EXACTLY the same as a "combatpvp" pilot wanting to opt out of competing on ship prices and just be given ships at a flat NPC rate...or even for free.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#145 - 2012-05-28 19:58:19 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Er TLDR sorry let me clarify for the trying to be clever combat PVP.
But then you're not really answering the question. Combat is as much a part of highsec as of any of the other sec levels, and the activities you listed are as much a part of the other sec levels as they are of highsec.

You're making distinctions that aren't really there.

EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
So creating your own POS (outside of wartime) and using your own slots isnt PVP then?
Of course it is. Read what you quoted again.



Er but I am. Non combat pvp (just to make you happy) is more likely to be taken up by peeps who aren't interest in combat pvp and would like to undock without getting shot at when they go about there daily non combat pvp activities.

Tal



My brother got blown up once in like 4 or 5 years playing. He was in a low sec system. He ragequit and to this day, for him, EVE i a game full of gankers.



I was suicided once in hi-sec. I could only laugh that someone would blow up my barge, only to be blown up by concord immediatly after. I thought it was pretty silly. It was in fact the very first time I ever lost a ship.

The second time I lost a ship, was in null space. That was also the last time, but not the last time someone tried.
I don't do pvp, I've never fired a single shot at another person in fact. I often think about it, but then I'm like, meh, to many clickies.

The thing that bothers me most is that you people insist that carebears are being blown up constantly; all over hi-sec. As if CCP doesn't have data to the contrary, and I'm confident that it is in fact contrary. Or that some of you will constantly harp on the, "they need to change it or everyone will leave!!"

Games been this way for 9 years.
Stop being liars. No one likes liars.
Xenuria
#146 - 2012-05-28 20:00:49 UTC
High-Sec is for people like me that enjoy EVE and want to have fun without the need to constantly buy more ships, fits, clones and implants. Some people want to play casually and then when they have the isk and the mood sets in they leave high-sec for awhile to have some more serious fun. High-sec is neccecary because it provides an environment for people who aren't juiced up on amphetamines, hyper-vigilant and constantly checking the D-scan to make sure nobody is coming for them.

CSM 12 Candidate
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#147 - 2012-05-28 20:03:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Er TLDR sorry let me clarify for the trying to be clever combat PVP.
But then you're not really answering the question. Combat is as much a part of highsec as of any of the other sec levels, and the activities you listed are as much a part of the other sec levels as they are of highsec.

You're making distinctions that aren't really there.

EVE Roy Mustang wrote:
So creating your own POS (outside of wartime) and using your own slots isnt PVP then?
Of course it is. Read what you quoted again.



Er but I am. Non combat pvp (just to make you happy) is more likely to be taken up by peeps who aren't interest in combat pvp and would like to undock without getting shot at when they go about there daily non combat pvp activities.

Tal



My brother got blown up once in like 4 or 5 years playing. He was in a low sec system. He ragequit and to this day, for him, EVE i a game full of gankers.



I was suicided once in hi-sec. I could only laugh that someone would blow up my barge, only to be blown up by concord immediatly after. I thought it was pretty silly. It was in fact the very first time I ever lost a ship.

The second time I lost a ship, was in null space. That was also the last time, but not the last time someone tried.
I don't do pvp, I've never fired a single shot at another person in fact. I often think about it, but then I'm like, meh, to many clickies.

The thing that bothers me most is that you people insist that carebears are being blown up constantly; all over hi-sec. As if CCP doesn't have data to the contrary, and I'm confident that it is in fact contrary. Or that some of you will constantly harp on the, "they need to change it or everyone will leave!!"

Games been this way for 9 years.
Stop being liars. No one likes liars.


Er what. Not sure why quoting me but a couple of things.

1 No the game has changed a lot in 9 years
2 Good for you but this thread isn't about you
3 WTF are you talking about ?

Tal

Yes I know, I said a couple and mentioned a few


Tal
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#148 - 2012-05-28 20:05:12 UTC
Xenuria wrote:
High-Sec is for people like me that enjoy EVE and want to have fun without the need to constantly buy more ships, fits, clones and implants. Some people want to play casually and then when they have the isk and the mood sets in they leave high-sec for awhile to have some more serious fun. High-sec is neccecary because it provides an environment for people who aren't juiced up on amphetamines, hyper-vigilant and constantly checking the D-scan to make sure nobody is coming for them.



While I agree with you.

I think you'd be better off picking up a hooker. I won't tell you to /wrist or anything like that. To be honest, I'm going to kill myself instead. Good luck in life, just know you have blood on your hands.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#149 - 2012-05-28 20:09:01 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
High-Sec is for people like me that enjoy EVE and want to have fun without the need to constantly buy more ships, fits, clones and implants. Some people want to play casually and then when they have the isk and the mood sets in they leave high-sec for awhile to have some more serious fun. High-sec is neccecary because it provides an environment for people who aren't juiced up on amphetamines, hyper-vigilant and constantly checking the D-scan to make sure nobody is coming for them.

While I agree with you.

I think you'd be better off picking up a hooker. I won't tell you to /wrist or anything like that. To be honest, I'm going to kill myself instead. Good luck in life, just know you have blood on your hands.

Don't do it, the blob needs you ~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-05-28 20:09:23 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

My brother got blown up once in like 4 or 5 years playing. He was in a low sec system. He ragequit and to this day, for him, EVE i a game full of gankers.



I was suicided once in hi-sec. I could only laugh that someone would blow up my barge, only to be blown up by concord immediatly after. I thought it was pretty silly. It was in fact the very first time I ever lost a ship.

The second time I lost a ship, was in null space. That was also the last time, but not the last time someone tried.
I don't do pvp, I've never fired a single shot at another person in fact. I often think about it, but then I'm like, meh, to many clickies.

The thing that bothers me most is that you people insist that carebears are being blown up constantly; all over hi-sec. As if CCP doesn't have data to the contrary, and I'm confident that it is in fact contrary. Or that some of you will constantly harp on the, "they need to change it or everyone will leave!!"

Games been this way for 9 years.
Stop being liars. No one likes liars.


Er what. Not sure why quoting me but a couple of things.

1 No the game has changed a lot in 9 years
2 Good for you but this thread isn't about you
3 WTF are you talking about ?

Tal

Yes I know, I said a couple and mentioned a few


Tal


When I read your post I go the impression you were making statement that you shouldn't have to pvp if you want.

People have this tendency to get blown up once, and then all of a sudden the games full of gankers. EVE isn't the only game this has happened in, but it's one of the safest.

I'm on a lot of drugs, so how the hell should I know?
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#151 - 2012-05-28 20:09:56 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
High-Sec is for people like me that enjoy EVE and want to have fun without the need to constantly buy more ships, fits, clones and implants. Some people want to play casually and then when they have the isk and the mood sets in they leave high-sec for awhile to have some more serious fun. High-sec is neccecary because it provides an environment for people who aren't juiced up on amphetamines, hyper-vigilant and constantly checking the D-scan to make sure nobody is coming for them.



While I agree with you.

I think you'd be better off picking up a hooker. I won't tell you to /wrist or anything like that. To be honest, I'm going to kill myself instead. Good luck in life, just know you have blood on your hands.



Proof or STFU Big smile
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#152 - 2012-05-28 20:10:51 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Xenuria wrote:
High-Sec is for people like me that enjoy EVE and want to have fun without the need to constantly buy more ships, fits, clones and implants. Some people want to play casually and then when they have the isk and the mood sets in they leave high-sec for awhile to have some more serious fun. High-sec is neccecary because it provides an environment for people who aren't juiced up on amphetamines, hyper-vigilant and constantly checking the D-scan to make sure nobody is coming for them.

While I agree with you.

I think you'd be better off picking up a hooker. I won't tell you to /wrist or anything like that. To be honest, I'm going to kill myself instead. Good luck in life, just know you have blood on your hands.

Don't do it, the blob needs you ~


Did you click his sig link? You wouldn't say that if you clicked his sig link! Attention
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#153 - 2012-05-28 20:12:34 UTC
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

My brother got blown up once in like 4 or 5 years playing. He was in a low sec system. He ragequit and to this day, for him, EVE i a game full of gankers.



I was suicided once in hi-sec. I could only laugh that someone would blow up my barge, only to be blown up by concord immediatly after. I thought it was pretty silly. It was in fact the very first time I ever lost a ship.

The second time I lost a ship, was in null space. That was also the last time, but not the last time someone tried.
I don't do pvp, I've never fired a single shot at another person in fact. I often think about it, but then I'm like, meh, to many clickies.

The thing that bothers me most is that you people insist that carebears are being blown up constantly; all over hi-sec. As if CCP doesn't have data to the contrary, and I'm confident that it is in fact contrary. Or that some of you will constantly harp on the, "they need to change it or everyone will leave!!"

Games been this way for 9 years.
Stop being liars. No one likes liars.


Er what. Not sure why quoting me but a couple of things.

1 No the game has changed a lot in 9 years
2 Good for you but this thread isn't about you
3 WTF are you talking about ?

Tal

Yes I know, I said a couple and mentioned a few


Tal


When I read your post I go the impression you were making statement that you shouldn't have to pvp if you want.

People have this tendency to get blown up once, and then all of a sudden the games full of gankers. EVE isn't the only game this has happened in, but it's one of the safest.

I'm on a lot of drugs, so how the hell should I know?


No you should have pvp, hi sec should not be completely safe. It should have a bit more balance though.

Can I have some : )


Tal
Nemesis Factor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#154 - 2012-05-28 20:16:45 UTC
Eva Rourge wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Eva Rourge wrote:
Interesting, but define cost please.
Get a dictionary.


No reason for aggression. Simply pointing to the fact that cost is relative and may approach zero and thus become irrelevant.


She probably realized you weren't genuinely asking the question. You had your pre-conceptions already and we're shooting down everyone's input and would continue to do so until we all came to the same conclusion as you; that hi-sec is unnecessary.

As for my two cents, imagine joining this game in lowsec. Unless you know someone in the game you are instantly toast. No opportunity to gain a foothold, no money to buy ships, no way to make money. Within a day you would have no isk, no assets and no reason to continue your sub.
Natsett Amuinn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#155 - 2012-05-28 20:19:59 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Natsett Amuinn wrote:

My brother got blown up once in like 4 or 5 years playing. He was in a low sec system. He ragequit and to this day, for him, EVE i a game full of gankers.



I was suicided once in hi-sec. I could only laugh that someone would blow up my barge, only to be blown up by concord immediatly after. I thought it was pretty silly. It was in fact the very first time I ever lost a ship.

The second time I lost a ship, was in null space. That was also the last time, but not the last time someone tried.
I don't do pvp, I've never fired a single shot at another person in fact. I often think about it, but then I'm like, meh, to many clickies.

The thing that bothers me most is that you people insist that carebears are being blown up constantly; all over hi-sec. As if CCP doesn't have data to the contrary, and I'm confident that it is in fact contrary. Or that some of you will constantly harp on the, "they need to change it or everyone will leave!!"

Games been this way for 9 years.
Stop being liars. No one likes liars.


Er what. Not sure why quoting me but a couple of things.

1 No the game has changed a lot in 9 years
2 Good for you but this thread isn't about you
3 WTF are you talking about ?

Tal

Yes I know, I said a couple and mentioned a few


Tal


When I read your post I go the impression you were making statement that you shouldn't have to pvp if you want.

People have this tendency to get blown up once, and then all of a sudden the games full of gankers. EVE isn't the only game this has happened in, but it's one of the safest.

I'm on a lot of drugs, so how the hell should I know?


No you should have pvp, hi sec should not be completely safe. It should have a bit more balance though.

Can I have some : )


Tal


Gotcha, we're on the same page then.

And no. I'm greedy, as well as lazy.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#156 - 2012-05-28 20:54:46 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
Er but I am. Non combat pvp (just to make you happy) is more likely to be taken up by peeps who aren't interest in combat pvp and would like to undock without getting shot at when they go about there daily non combat pvp activities.
Yes (well, no, but for the sake of it…)? That still doesn't answer what highsec is for.

Basically, your answer is that some people aren't interested in something that exists everywhere in EVE, and instead want to do something else that exists everywhere in EVE.

Those non-combat activities (and the ability to do them without being shot at) exist outside of highsec as well. Highsec isn't particularly needed to fill that preference. Highsec just lets you do all of that with a different rule-set.
Bahr Cudas
Beta Ray Bill
#157 - 2012-05-28 22:02:17 UTC
Eva, we get that Empire Space isn't for you. Doesn't make you better or worse than anyone else.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#158 - 2012-05-28 22:09:49 UTC
The purpose of hi-sec is to create a low-risk, low-reward zone of gameplay as opposed to the high-risk, high reward zone of gameplay that Null-sec is.

yk
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#159 - 2012-05-28 22:16:08 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
empire is a place to fall back to when you discover that there is no place in null sec for you.


I have a place in nullsec as part of an alliance that isn't part of a giant coalition, doesn't have "CTAs", places virtually no restrictions on what I do or when I do it, and expects nothing more of me than that I enjoy the company of my corpies and vice versa.

Sorry you weren't lucky like I was.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#160 - 2012-05-28 22:16:39 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
The purpose of hi-sec is to create a low-risk, low-reward zone of gameplay as opposed to the high-risk, high reward zone of gameplay that Null-sec is.

yk


And that purpose has long been obsolete.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016