EVE General Discussion

6 years ago I did the tutorial. I can't be expected to remember how a system worked 6 years ago.
I can't even be expected to bathe properly today.

Seems to me you're asking a loaded question.

I.E., you have some kind of agenda or point (whatever that may be) you're trying to make.

Or in other words, trolling.

Well the odds of you or anyone actually being in a newbie system are well slim to say the least.
Let alone ganking a newbie in that system as they aren't even worth the time.
Something tells me you aren't going to bother with a newbie ship or a T1 frigate fitted with T1 mods carrying around well nothing of value.

The ones that do tend not to last long in this game cause that get warned and banned pretty quickly.

CCP is rather protective of newbie players as they should be.
If there was actual issues in those systems CCP would have locked them down with even more rules by now.

Or then you just realised that here is no such thing outside your small mind, and try to cover your obvious inability to convey your simple thoughts of what it could be by zero-content unfunny replies.

well as just starting 3 new char they do bait in newbe system with a can noob takes the loot and they get poded lol see it happen all the time with all 3 that I started.
the only way to stop this would be not to allow to target other player's in 1.0 systems

Mate if you don't know what "play style" is or find the concept obscure then It's not my small mind you need worry about.

Personal attacks attack as well, you running out of overly worded zero content replies ?

Tal


P.S I wasn't trying to be funny.

No, I'm thinking of protection as protection — prevention doesn't even come into it, but that's why people get confused and why you should stop feeding them that kind of nonsense.

CONCORD doesn't protect anyone. All it does is impose cost on aggression. For some this will act as a preventive measure; for others it will not. At no point does it protect anyone — only the player himself (possibly with the help of some friends) can do that. With a bit of luck, you can protect yourself for long enough to have the CONCORD consequences kick in.

…people who keep lying to other players about what highsec (and CONCORD) is, giving them the wrong expectations and thus (in)directly making them whine when said expectations clash with reality. That reality is that CONCORD does not offer protection — they have to protect themselves — and that highsec is not a starter area where you can or should expect any kind of gentler touch. You have to expect the same harshness there as everywhere else (aside from the actual starter areas), only it will come in a different form because the tools available — the aforementioned bucket and spade — will be slightly different than elsewhere.

Ok, I get you now.

I was starting to get the impression you were one of the "there should be no hi-sec" types because some peopel seem to think that there are people playing EVE that think that hi-sec is a PvE zone were you're not supposed to get killed by other players.


To be honest, people shouldn't be worried about CCP changing anything. They won't. People can complain all they want about getting ganked in hi-sec.

It should be our responcibility to remind these people that every time they complain about it, they're literally driving someone else away from a great game. Because they're giving the impession that you can't do anything in hi-sec without another player blowing them up, and that's not true.

This would negatively affect solo\casual gamers.

I don't see why ppl want to make hi sec smaller. You cannot not force ppl to go where they don't want to go. This is an old argument.

Not everyone who plays the game wants to take part in combat PVP.

LVL 4s should stay right where they are, and they have already been nerfed to kingdom come.

So you want CCP to stop reading feedback = bad

Tal

Do you really think EVE would be doing as well as it is today without giving new players the ability to earn ISK to buy PLEX? The suggestion that high sec should be removed (or to a lesser extent removing level 4s from high sec) would hinder a new player from earning enough ISK to buy PLEX during their first few months.

I can understand not wanting people to get stuck in high sec doing missions or mining for their entire EVE life - but there should be better ways to engage people in the riskier parts of EVE than removing High Sec/CONCORD or removing level 4s from high sec.

I was attracted to EVE because of all I had heard about how much freedom players had and how danger could be anywhere - but I was also attracted to EVE because there was a low barrier for entry.

I began a 21 day trial and started learning the game, moving through tutorials and learning about tracking, optimal, falloff, and tanking. I made my first spreadsheet for armor tanking and got the same numbers the game/EFT was showing me. I was hooked. I knew in just a month or so more of skill training, I could be doing level 4s and earning enough ISK for my PLEX, removing the need to pay with real life cash. I ended up activating my account via Steam for 5$ and bought two PLEX.

I think the option to pay for EVE with in game currency is a huge factor for new players. It allows them to continue to learn the game and find the right corporation while not feeling as if they're still in a trial phase of the game but still paying for it.

So what I think it boils down to is that EVE is a very old game and because there is so much content to absorb you'll feel new to the game even with a years worth of skill points. That first year is going to solidify someone's dedication to the game. Removing high security space is by extension removing the low-risk income of a new player who is only paying for game time through ISK. The risk/reward scenario for said player factors in the very likely situation that they don't make enough isk for their PLEX and cannot continue playing the game - something veteran players almost never have to consider.

I can understand the reason you want it removed or changed. It's the same reason that the best games of poker are high stakes - they get the adrenaline pumping the most. Removing high security space is virtually the same as raising blinds across the board to get players risking more on each hand, making it more exciting to play.

The paradox of the situation is the fact that while such an increase in the blinds is likely necessary considering the age of EVE and how ingrained some players are in their security in space - the ability to attract new players would be crippled by it.

I don't think the solution is as simple as removing high sec or level 4s from it. An elegant solution would be one that entices the most risk-averse players to take more chances while also allowing the high-risk side of EVE to be an area that a new player chooses to enter, rather than being forced to do so.

tl;dr - don't kill the game for new players just because you want more risk in EVE.