EVE General Discussion

…because it was never meant to be a tutorial area. We have tutorial areas to take care of that.

As long as people keep lying to them and saying that highsec is a tutorial area, they will keep believing it. So stop doing that.

I don't know what it was like the first 3 years, but in '06 it was clearly not a tutorial, only the place were the tutorial took place. Do you think they're going to have a part of the tutorial send new players into low sec or null space?

I didn't need to have played the game for the first 3 years to know that CCP never intended for there to be any guaranteed safe havens outside of a station. You keep trying to imply otherwise, and therein exists the problem.

Your position isn't any better then the people that want it to be totally safe.

It's a sandbox. You can't restrict what players do and still call it a sandbox. Hi sec puts LIMITS on what a player can do, but doesn't negate any action.


Removing any form of safety would be a bad thing as well. CCP is on of the only studios that actually understand that you need carebears in order for the game to work. Without them, there is no real game, just a deathmatch arena with a busted economy.



The only problem with hi sec is the people that insist on spreading the misconception that you WILL get blown up, and that's not true. Some people spend their entire existance in EVE, never leaving hi sec, and never getting killed by another player. It takes just a handful of people to have a single pvp encounter, and then all of a sudden you get a stampede of people on forums telling the world that the games full of gankers.

I talk to a lot of people who will not play EVE because it's a FFA pvp game with full loot. Every time I try to explain to them that it's not as bad as people make it sound, they still refuse because they read that it's full of gankers. 5 years I spent in hi sec and I lost one effing ship. I'm just one guy though, and some people only see the handful saying how bad it is, and that other players FORCE them to do stuff they don't want to. It's a bunch of BS.


The gankers aren't hurting the game, you guys who insist on complaining about them are. You're the biggest detriment to the growth of EVE in the playerbase. You guys come to the game, know what the game is about, and still insist on bitching when someone shoots you. And then to top it off, you try to insinuate that they shot you by somehow getting around a mechanic in the game that's supposed to keep you from getting killed; further purpetrating the myth that the game is full of nothing but gankers.



How dare people organize an annual event to reduce the flow of minerals in an attempt to alter the market by killing miners, in a sandbox game. Imagine that, people

Can you point to the part were it says that other players can't target or shoot you in the "tutorial zones"?

Read the responses in this thread that may give you a clue.

Tal

Idiotic gripes about hi-sec

The buckets and spades are identical in all EVE with a handful of combat ability -related exceptions, which exist to keep hisec a safer area for new players to learn the game.



There is no consensus in this thread.

Nope, some ppl think they know , and are biased towards there own play style. Everyone complains when they think its tipped towards the play style of someone else..

Tal

No, I can't. You can target and shoot most things everywhere in EVE. To protect the new players while they learn the game, CCP has created CONCORD, a concept that introduces a level of security in the starter areas without breaking the idea of a sandbox.

It protects the new players by making it less than sensible to shoot players in cheap ships.

You are still referring to some obscure "play style" concepts like they would mean anything to other people.

Or maybe you can tell what is my "play style"?

I prefer "play with myself style"