EVE General Discussion

It just shows a badly architected fitting solution for a hulk.

On the other hand the predators are dependent on their prey, over hunting will exterminate both.

CCP does not seem to care what players want.

No, CCP does not share your vision of a pacifistic, safe, boring thempark MMO in Space. Their players seem to like that, since Subs have been up every year since release 9 years ago.

If you don't like it... I'd say there's the door, but...

I like how the OP assumes there is some high court in eve that his legalese mumbo jumbo will appeal to. News flash, EVE doesn't work like the real world. People don't play games because they want them to be like the real world. As a matter of fact most people play mmos, more specifically sandbox mmos, because they're different from the real world. Whether that's escapism, boredom, or simply a way to kick back, relax, and enjoy the rest of your day after work, is dependent on the player. Point is though, this is EVE, not real life.

If you think spewing your legalese crap in a video game is going to do anything but make people point and laugh at your delicious tears, you are VERY sadly mistaken. You lost a ship, and if you're an active miner I'm sure you've got the isk to replace it. Your time would have been better spent researching why you died and how to prevent it in the future. But alas it appears learning is a foreign concept to you, and anything that doesn't work how you want it to work must be changed. Instead you chose to write a wall of text about why CCP should change game mechanics that the majority of the community enjoys this game for, so that you can mine in peace.

Had you been paying attention, you wouldn't have lost your pod at the very least. If you had a clue about any aspect of EVE other than how fast your hulk can mine roids, for example, how to use your directional scanner, or even adding combat probes to your overview, you probably wouldn't have lost your ship either. On top of that if you bothered to pay attention to anything other than how much veldspar was in your hold, you'd have known that hulkageddon was active. You would have also known that mining in an untanked hulk during hulkageddon was about the dumbest, most careless decision you could have made.

I don't mine anymore, and to be honest I never mined much when I did. My total mining time is probably under 24 hours worth. However even though I don't mine, I still took the time to learn the mechanics. I still take the time to fit a mining ship in EFT to see how much tank it can achieve, and how much ore it can mine. I actively learn the game mechanics, every day I play EVE I learn a new mechanic. If I were you, I would stop crying every time something happens that I don't like, and instead use that energy to educate myself about the mechanic that caused the action I did not want.

Here's a protip for you, if it costs more to blow your ship up than you will lose as a result, your ship probably won't be looked at by gankers much.

This wall of text is starting to compete with yours though. So I'm going to leave this as my final statement.

EVE is not real life, you are not safe, ever, and your ignorance is not reason to change game mechanics that have been in place long before you started playing this game. This is MY EVE, and you should consider yourself lucky you have the privilege to play target practice with us.

EDIT: Oh, and by the way, I didn't even read the OP. I already knew pretty much everything you said, and the type of theme park lover that you are from the quotes in the ganker's response.

When I started my first account, almost three years ago, it wasn't unusual to see more than 60k pilots online. Over the last month, I've never seen more than 35k online, and hell, when I logged in last night, there weren't even 30k online. Why? Because Hulkageddon is making it impossible to mine in peace, which makes miners quit the game entirely.

Last Wednesday evening, my main's corp was having an Ice-mining operation, in order to fuel our POS. Normally (even during Hulkageddon) we would see about Mining Barges, Mackinaws and Orcas lying in the Ice Field, but that evening there were only 10 ships total. Our 8 and another Orca with a single Mackinaw. And no, we didn't bot-mine. We didn't AFK-mine. In fact, we had our ships tanked out and even stored a Kitsune in the Orca, which one of us would switch to when we saw non-mining ships on D-Scan, and prepare to jam anyone the moment they started aggressing us. We didn't need our tank nor the Kitsune, but we still brought the means to defend ourselves. There were 10 people mining ice, out of the usual 50. If that figure applies everywhere, it would mean that 80% of all miners have quit because it's too dangerous (or they've moved to more hostile environments or just learnt to spread out to make it hard for the gankers to rack up lots of kills quickly).

It doesn't need to be a pacifistic safe boring MMO in space, neither does it have to be a greifers paradise, which it currently is. If they do balance it and you don't like it , I'd say there's the door, but....

Also the current lvl of misery being caused by low and null sec trying to dictate what hi sec is hasn't been such a big issue for 9 years, we will only as players (CCP probably already knows) what the affect on numbers has been in 6 months to a year. Quoting historical numbers doesn't really count.

Remember your motto "We don't want to ruin the game, just your game". you come into a game with that attitude then ppl will push back and perceive you as just that, greifers (true or false)

Tal

I was feeling some sympathy for your position until I took a glance at the kill mails that others posted.

You died to a single Catalyst.

Your Hulk had 3 empty mid slots and you had over half a billion isk worth of shield implants in your clone.

You lost your ship due to your own negligence, and your post smells of troll.

Probably because he wanted to show that he was an intelligent fellow, unlike you, CEO of a butt

Your post is well written and intentionally or unintentionally highlights the underlying problem .

using the tos to demonstrate that players are not acting accordingly is the wrong way to tackle this issue.

The central issue is that a core tool afforded to players to apply a , how did you put it ? Ah yes, system of natural consequences.

do not work as intended in game.

your proposal however is in direct conflict with the title of this thread placing concord at each belt to protect players is about as unnatural as it gets .

eve has systems in place that actually would allow one to avoid all the problems caused by hulkaggeddon but the majority of players refuse to use them .

the one tool that is needed is a tool to properly enact retribution . CCP's attempt at implementing this tool is broken thus why there is a problem with the underlying mechanics . Unfortunately a solution to the problem is not easy . many good post have been written about what to do about the bounty system but nothing concrete has surfaced that would make it 100% effective.

thus this brings us back to what the real problem is .

players have become to complacent, that they are safe in a game that was never intended to for them to be safe in the first place.

their are tools available to these players to prevent terrible things from happening to them . yet they refuse to use them for they feel they should be free to solo without consequences. unfortunately this is not how the game was envisioned or implemented.

to suggest otherwise and implements systems to protect these players is simply unnatural.

Do you see a GSF tag under my name? No? Then don't hook the Mittani's propaganda on me (and that's what that quote is, in General, the Goons are here to have fun; they just don't care if their fun trods all over yours).

If it were a griefer's paradise, ganking newbies in the newbie systems would be allowed, since Per CCP, that's one of the only ways shooting spaceships in space can be considered griefing. This isn't WoW; we have a different definition of unacceptable play here.