EVE General Discussion

You just got "Rogged" by CCP

i'm quite new to eve, so i would like to ask a question for a newbs prospective to the OP.

why is it that the assumed motive was greifing?

as i see it, the motive is quite obviously, profit. nobody cares about makeing you unhapppy. otherwise there would have always been high sec suicide ganking before hulkagedon

The goons are making a profit from every hulk replaced due to their monopoly, while also increasing the income of their own miners.

and the best, fastest, and easiest way to make people replace their ships for gankers is by paying mercs in throwaway ships to do it for them.

so the best way to mitigate this would be to make yourself unprofitable. go mine in a battleship or put on shield extenders if you want to mine so badly. you'll be ungankable except for the craziest of crazys.

originally, i was going to high sec mine too. then i started to look into the community for guides etc and ran across this gigantic fiasco... and said **** this ****. trading is more profitable and takes less effort anyways. and i get to train skills to shoot people instead of rocks. and i thank the goons for making me realize the mistake of my ways.

Yes, thanks goons, lol. Sooo, goon_alt_12002 or just a silly person who has no clue? People do gank to make people unhappy, its all about the tears and nothing to do with profit or cornering the market by eliminating the competition. You need only spend a few moments reading the forums or local chat in a busy hub to realize that.

Yes please.

:)

and all those likes must be Goonies, GO AWAY!

Greetings capsuleer Crimson,

Forgive me for stepping our of character, but I cannot speak against your spurious allegations without doing so.

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What Baltec said was true. The number of pilots in New Eden has grown year on year. He did not say the number active per day has grown. There is a difference.

In May, 2009 New Eden had over 300,000 registered players.



Source is here.



The source is here.

This is exactly what capsuleer Baltec is saying. It is not untrue. It is 100% true and supported by the facts. You are attempting to twist this by using the average pilots online per day, but let me give you an example of why that could be a flawed metric to look at.

Scenario 1 - Pre WiS / Incarna:
Monday: Bob, John, Sarah (3)
Tuesday: Bob, John (2)
Wednesday: Bob, John, Sarah (3)
Thursday: Bob, John, Sarah, Tim (4)
Friday: Bob, John, Sarah (3)
Saturday: Bob, John, Sarah (3)
Sunday: Bob, John, Sarah (3)

The average players is roughly 3. There are 4 people spread across the time period.

Scenario 2 - Post WiS / Incarna:
Monday: Bob, John (2)
Tuesday: Sam, Sarah (2)
Wednesday: Gabby, Allen (2)
Thursday: Michael, Del(2)
Friday: Tim, Randolf (2)
Saturday: Lulu, Baldy (2)
Sunday: Johnny (1)

The average players is roughly 2. There are 13 people spread across the time period.

Now, I am NOT saying this is the case.

But looking at the average players is a flawed measurement as you cannot and will not know how often players login, how frequently they follow the same patterns and so forth. The spread could be very different now as to what it was 2 years ago, particularly as veterans mature and run longer term plans.

But to take your example. I picked a random point in 2009 for which we will have corresponding data in 2012. I ignored any date a week or so before the release of Diablo III as the release of such an anticipated, AAA title will surely engage a number of pilots and skew numbers. You are welcome to disagree, but then I'd have to question if you know anything about PC gaming and the hype machine.

15 April 2009 - 29,012
15 April 2012 - 36,329

On average though the two appear roughly similar. Honestly not much to pick between the two, although a delve into the raw data would be really useful. I could see approximately 6 peaks above 36,000 in 2012 and approximately 3 in the same period of 2009 when zoomed in. This is despite the good growth in subscribers and average players online during 2010 and 2011 which was subsequently blown away by the disaster otherwise known as Walking in Stations or Incarna.

For a game recovering from that mess, it is doing bloody well. Your statement:

Delmichael Crimson: "Since the middle of 2009, the amount of active players online has significantly decreased."

Is severely misleading as you ignore seasonal factors, the impact of mistakes by CCP and the impact of other companies and their products and conveniently brush away the actual growth in subscribers and thus revenue for CCP.

So my question for you is - what do you hope to gain by painting such a fundamentally flawed, untrue picture of CCP and EVE Online?

What is the gain for you both as a person and as a person subscribed to the game? Do you hope to persuade others not to play? Do you like being a bearer of "bad" tidings? Do you want to spread misery around?

I cannot fathom why anyone would twist things in such a way. It seems ... sick to me.
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I'd wish you kind regards, but then I'd be dishonest.

Shian Yang

so,, to be clear,, you went through all this time and effort to produce this thread OP yes ?

but you failed to read the forums and become aware of the event taking place ?

you lost a ship and a pod because you write more than you read.

i'm going to quote Ronald Spiers from band of brothers (tv show)

The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you're already dead. The sooner you accept that, the sooner you'll be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function: without mercy, without compassion, without remorse. All war depends upon it.

if you think you are not in a war for resources you are a stupid miner, if you think eve is not one huge sandbox of war and killing you are also stupid, but here's the deal OP, i'm thinking you are far from stupid, you just refuse to accept the rules and mechanics of eve, like most carebears you want the universe to go away and let you supply the enemy with ships and ammo.
the moment you undock and mine resources you are a part of the system.

look at it like this perhaps,, your ammo cost me a ship once,, did ya see me whining on here about it,, lol

ITT: people who resist with their uttermost might any suggestion that they stop thinking and acting like victims and who are then somehow shocked and appalled that they're victimised.

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Great answer


Seriously Oddball, Living under the impression that high sec is low risk/low reward doesn't understand Eve at all. Highsec is High risk. You have chosen to go after the players who participate in Hulkageddon. What about the gankers that go after mission runners, haulers, incursion runners, and shiny ships? Are you going to complain about them too? They are doing the same thing... They are playing within the framework of Eve and are the same as the players who participate in Hulkageddon. Should CCP place Concord in every incursion? in every mission? at every planet and sun? just so no one can be ganked anymore?

Go play hellokitty online - you'll be safer there

Ganking miners exposes the very broken nature of all PvP in EVE.

A killmail for a T3 cruiser?
A Killmail for a Carrier?
A Killmail for a Command Ship?

No, we brag about Hulk killmails. That's our e-peen.

Broke? Just a bit.

I didn't fight a mighty dragon but I killed a baby cow when it wasn't looking.