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Amarr COSMOS missions: nerfed, broken or..... as intended?
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Haffsol
#1 - 2012-05-27 10:54:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Haffsol
Yes, that's a ranting post, but objective as much as possible.

Situation is: I'm an industrialist, don't blame me I already know it's a terrible desease. Yet I need standings more than many others but life is hard out there if you don't want to shoot at all the things, but in Amarr space it's even harder.
For obvious reasons I choosed to run COSMOS missions and even to buy tags for the agents I could talk to. Problem, huge problem, is that I can't understand why in Amarr space, if you work for Amarr agents belonging to Amarr npc corps, you get half the standings for Amarr and half for Ammatar!! In the guides you can find in the evelopedia it's clearly stated that you have to choose if to work for Amarr or Ammatarr, but truth is that it's no matter which one you choose, your standings rewards will be always split among them.

Now, after almost 2 days of senseless jumping around, I was able to increase my Amarr standing from 2.9 to 3.45 and Ammatar went even a bit futher, from 2.8 till 3.55. Now, that looks really like a broken behaviour to me, also because Amarr regions are many more than Ammatar ones (afaik only Derelik) and not to mention Ammatar are in a theory slaved by the Amarrians, even if the cowards 'converted themself', but I don't think Jamyl would be happy about Ammatar taking half the rewards owed to True Amarrians. DAHELL!

Now, if you want a question to answer, please: how to get moar Amarr standings without pewpew-ing??
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#2 - 2012-05-27 11:04:21 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
Yes, that's a ranting post, but objective as much as possible.

Situation is: I'm an industrialist, don't blame me I already know it's a terrible desease. Yet I need standings more than many others but life is hard out there if you don't want to shoot at all the things, but in Amarr space it's even harder.
For obvious reasons I choosed to run COSMOS missions and even to buy tags for the agents I could talk to. Problem, huge problem, is that I can't understand why in Amarr space, if you work for Amarr agents belonging to Amarr npc corps, you get half the standings for Amarr and half for Ammatar!! In the guides you can find in the evelopedia it's clearly stated that you have to choose if to work for Amarr or Ammatarr, but truth is that it's no matter which one you choose, your standings rewards will be always split among them.

Now, after almost 2 days of senseless jumping around, I was able to increase my Amarr standing from 2.9 to 3.45 and Ammatar went even a bit futher, from 2.8 till 3.55. Now, that looks really like a broken behaviour to me, also because Amarr regions are many more than Ammatar ones (afaik only Derelik) and not to mention Ammatar are in a theory slaved by the Amarrians, even if the cowards 'converted themself', but I don't think Jamyl would be happy about Ammatar taking half the rewards owed to True Amarrians. DAHELL!

Now, if you want a question to answer, please: how to get moar Amarr standings without pewpew-ing??


um no you get full standing to amarr for your missions and a derived standing increase to there frinds ie amatarr caldrie ect and a hit to there not friends gal/mini/others

have you looked at datacenters with standings for tags ?
Haffsol
#3 - 2012-05-27 11:25:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Haffsol
oh yes I forgot to mention the lil hit I had towards gallente, which went from around 3 to 1.57 now -.-

anyway I'm sure the "derived standing" and the "full one" are the same if not even higher (the former than the latter). As I said, running cosmos exclusively for amarr (+ buying tags as well) made my Ammatar standings increase slight more than the Amarr ones.

I made an excellent photoshop work here you can see the ratio is about 51% Amarr and 49% Ammatar Roll
Lilan Kahn
The Littlest Hobos
The Whale Hunters Association
#4 - 2012-05-27 11:51:18 UTC
Haffsol wrote:
oh yes I forgot to mention the lil hit I had towards gallente, which went from around 3 to 1.57 now -.-

anyway I'm sure the "derived standing" and the "full one" are the same if not even higher (the former than the latter). As I said, running cosmos exclusively for amarr (+ buying tags as well) made my Ammatar standings increase slight more than the Amarr ones.

I made an excellent photoshop work here you can see the ratio is about 51% Amarr and 49% Ammatar Roll


no the amarr looks to be 100% and the amatarr around 80-90%, they are bum buddies and do amarrs bidding
Haffsol
#5 - 2012-05-27 11:58:09 UTC
sorry but 100% +80/90% = 180/190% <--- makes no sense, or if you prefer it's just the same as I said but in a "different way"
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-27 16:56:52 UTC
Since you're looking to increase Amarr Faction standing and try to stay away from combat, your options are very limited. Data Center Agents are just one type of various Event Agents available that give Faction Standing increase.


Train up Connections skill. It will raise your current positive standing.

Also Social skill being trained will increase the amount of standing gained for completing missions..

Diplomacy skill will raise your current negative standings.


Hopefully you also completed the Amarr 'Cert' missions along with the 'Tag' missions. Also the agent listed on the 'Cert' will give you mission series that gives Faction standing increase. That agent is level 1 and the missions should be easy for an Industrial character to complete. Lastly Amarr and Ammatar share Data Centers so they have more Agents available

Completing missions for Ammatar and Caldari Data Center Agents will also increase your Amarr Faction with derived standing increase.

Of course your standing with Minmatar, Gallente, etc, will go down.

Other options to raise your Amarr Faction standing is complete the Career Agent missions and do a round of the Circle Agents. These Agents are also level 1 and should be easy for an Industrial character to complete.

After that might as well do the Caldari Career Agents and Circle Agents.





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Haffsol
#7 - 2012-05-28 00:01:57 UTC
my social skills are at 4 and I tried almost all I could do. Didn't know about Career agents, I supposed once you did them the first time that was game over. As far as I've seen the time/isk spent Vs faction standing boost is by far the best.
DataCenters can cost a lot or not, depending on which you go for, and I'm still not allowed to talk to the expensive ones, but anyway the cheap ones took me some 50-ish mil for some miserable 0.something increase, probably less than 0.5 in total.
Cosmos are nice cause they give you good isk, but you need to get support from some good pewpew-er (for hours and hours and eventually days to complete them all) so I shouldn't even consider them as an options. Ah, yes I run all the cosmos courier missions, those available at least, they paied me back with another miserable percentage in standings and I've spent some good time on them.

Finally, speding some time to look for some good L3 courier agents (or some good system where to find at least 2-3 of them) is the best way I tried so far, also because I don't think you can run career agents for ever (guess once per station/corp) which brings me to square one: weren't cosmos and tags intended to give some extra boost to faction standings, meaning extra as "something more than courier agents"? I'd keep on saying these are broken mechanics but I'm sure CCP has more important thing to fix.
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-28 01:10:59 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Well, even completing the level 1 Event Agent missions that give a small Faction standing increase will still help, especially since there's a lot of them. And since they're level 1 agents, they can be completed very easily. That's why I suggested training up the various social skills to help increase the amount of Faction standing gained as well as raise your current amount of Faction standing.

As for not being able to access the higher level Amarr Data Center Agents, you're not using the derived Faction standing gains for other Factions to your advantage right now. It seems you're ignoring the other Factions Event Agents.

Even though you're an Industrial character, you should still be able to complete all of the level 1 Event Agent missions. That includes the level 1 SoE Epic Arc. That arc lets you choose 1 of the 4 main Factions for completion and gives a rather large Faction standing increase with no derived standings towards the other Factions. It can also be completed every 3 months.

Since you've already completed some of the Amarr Data Center Agents, I'll bet you have enough Faction standing to access at least half of the Ammatar Data Center Agents as well as the Caldari Data Center Agents. I would suggest working all of those Agents as they make themselves available to you.

Definitely complete all of the level 1 Amarr and Caldari Event Agents. And yes, most of the Event Agents can only be completed once in the life of the character but there's a lot of them available.

Anyway, good luck to you.

DMC


EDIT:

I would advise against working the Cosmos Agents since most of their missions are encounter missions which are tougher than normal missions.

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Twitchy McTwitch
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-28 12:59:22 UTC
One of the nice things actually about the COSMOS agents -- some of them - is that many of the items can be bought in advance of the actual mission (or acquired via farming and such). This makes less pew-pew on your side of things, and more cha-ching on the actual standing increase.

As for your increase dilemma -- Ammatar and Amarr are best of friends, much like Mordu and Caldari. Also Caldari and Amarr are good friends.

So, when you raise one -- so too the others. "So it goes." (Read Vonnegut, it's good for you.)

Now, if you want help/assistance with this -- I am currently rocking out the Amarr cosmos and will happily pull together extra goodies/do the combat for you in exchange for a few specific BPCs that come from the missions.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-28 15:33:14 UTC
http://www.newedenlibrary.net/eon/faction_standings.shtml

Look under "derived modifier." Larger factions' standing gain is smaller than smaller factions. Amar is large, Ammatar is small, thus the surprising high derived gain for Ammatar when you run Amar missions. Same goes for Caldari and Modus. By doing Caldari storylines, your Mordus standings will rise above that of Caldari itself. Note that value is higher than 10.0 in both cases.