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PL shall return their medals and prices

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Ottersmacker
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#41 - 2012-05-29 16:17:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Ottersmacker
locator agents are pretty rude tbh, they call everyone sleazebags.

if anything, it should be based on sec status etc (like UO had titles from fame + karma).
So a a vetaran player with 5+ sec would the The Glorious Lord *playername*, Paragon of Honour
A newb suicide ganker with -8.something would be The Despicable *playername*
etc

much more immersive

i just locked an open door.. strange, yet symbolically compelling.

Gobbins
Pandemic Horde Hld.
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2012-05-29 20:42:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Gobbins
I just want to confirm that, as I told Duncan over a game of dota 2, we had complete intel on enemy team during at 6-7-8. What monkey did forget to say is that the sphere also allowed us to detect modules fitted to the ships, in particular the race of jammers (which was very useful) and ammo loaded in guns.


During AT 8 when I joined Hydra I used a stolen version of the sphere only me and Garmon had access to. After hydra refused to play as Pandemic Legions B team last year we had to cut hydra off using the sphere but broke it in the process. With only a few months to go before the tourney, and our original hackers gone inactive (PounderGobbla69 aka Awox) we were unable to get a new sphere working in time. This possibly was part of our lack of luck in AT9.


For the record, TheMonkeysphere was cut out from the development of the new sphere, which is why he is now trying to spergepost on SHC.

Disclaimer: Pandemic Legion and Sniggwaffe had no intentions of meta-gaming the tournament using the sphere if given the opportunity as last year and really the only reason we were all developing a new Sphere was because of POS mechanics.


PS: never let duncan pick EDIT: random Huskar


- Admiral Goberius aka the xXxnoscope360snipaxXx
Zorro Zohan Ducksauce
The Thirteen of Qarth
#43 - 2012-05-29 22:10:01 UTC
for stealing the software, i have taken your mimir to the house of the undying
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#44 - 2012-05-29 22:20:46 UTC
Gobbins wrote:
I just want to confirm that, as I told Duncan over a game of dota 2, we had complete intel on enemy team during at 6-7-8. What monkey did forget to say is that the sphere also allowed us to detect modules fitted to the ships, in particular the race of jammers (which was very useful) and ammo loaded in guns.


During AT 8 when I joined Hydra I used a stolen version of the sphere only me and Garmon had access to. After hydra refused to play as Pandemic Legions B team last year we had to cut hydra off using the sphere but broke it in the process. With only a few months to go before the tourney, and our original hackers gone inactive (PounderGobbla69 aka Awox) we were unable to get a new sphere working in time. This possibly was part of our lack of luck in AT9.


For the record, TheMonkeysphere was cut out from the development of the new sphere, which is why he is now trying to spergepost on SHC.

Disclaimer: Pandemic Legion and Sniggwaffe had no intentions of meta-gaming the tournament using the sphere if given the opportunity as last year and really the only reason we were all developing a new Sphere was because of POS mechanics.


PS: never let duncan pick Huskar


- Admiral Goberius aka the xXxnoscope360snipaxXx


I could not find any flaws in your story until you said I picked Huskar.

The truth is I randomed Huskar.

Please fix this error in your post.

.

NinjaTurtle
THIGH GUYS
#45 - 2012-05-30 19:50:21 UTC
Gobbins wrote:
This possibly was part of our lack of luck in AT9.


I see we've changed the definition of luck quite a bit, good for you
Diotima Saraki
The Waterworks
#46 - 2012-05-30 20:53:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Diotima Saraki
Wheedily wrote:
ElextriX wrote:
It doesn't give ship types..... here's a c n p of a recent one

I found ##### for you.
From: Ergrad Amelsolf
Sent: 2012.05.05 20:19

I've found your sleazebag.

He is at Kamela V - 24th Imperial Crusade Logistic Support station in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region.

With regards,

Ergrad Amelsolf


Hehe, thanks

So yeah. Quite the "locator agent" they had it seems

locator agents used to include shitype in their notifications - it was just never displayed in the mail display (they don't send an actual evemail, they send a notification that is displayed like a mail by your client localized into your client language)

however, you could get that information perfectly legally via the API until the field was removed a few months ago.

I don't know whether the API was used in this case as the cooldown/caching would be annoying and the information would probably be easy to retrieve via python injection but in general you didn't have to use dirty tricks to get it - a copy of evemon and a full API key were enough.
Boof Duttus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#47 - 2012-05-30 21:10:18 UTC
So either it was python injection or full api keys of everyone on the opposing team?
Nex apparatu5
Blackwood Co.
#48 - 2012-05-31 04:48:04 UTC
Boof Duttus wrote:
So either it was python injection or full api keys of everyone on the opposing team?

Either Python injection or your full API key. Did you even read his post? :psyduck:
Zorro Zohan Ducksauce
The Thirteen of Qarth
#49 - 2012-05-31 07:37:35 UTC
if you drink shade of the evening and squint at dusty books long enough, you'll believe your parlor tricks are magic
Kadesh Priestess
This Game Is Terrible
Warlords of the Deep
#50 - 2012-05-31 11:25:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Kadesh Priestess
Diotima Saraki wrote:
locator agents used to include shitype in their notifications - it was just never displayed in the mail display (they don't send an actual evemail, they send a notification that is displayed like a mail by your client localized into your client language)

however, you could get that information perfectly legally via the API until the field was removed a few months ago
PL vs MANY (one of the logs above shows ships of MANY team before the fight with PL) fight occurred before EVE-Mail API was introduced.
EVE-Mail API - November 2009: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=716
PL vs MANY, at7 - earlier than September 2009 (youtube vid was uploaded at this date): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g_kQw_b0SQ

Also, according to timestamps information was pulled extremely fast and had virtually no caching period.

ps Some buddy sent me full collection of old awox stuff a while ago, found the discussed piece (cmd_whois function in ircevents module) - it was using injection and directly requested info from server's corp service, thus no locator and API was required to get it.
Phoenus
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-05-31 15:19:58 UTC
Kadesh Priestess wrote:
Diotima Saraki wrote:
locator agents used to include shitype in their notifications - it was just never displayed in the mail display (they don't send an actual evemail, they send a notification that is displayed like a mail by your client localized into your client language)

however, you could get that information perfectly legally via the API until the field was removed a few months ago
PL vs MANY (one of the logs above shows ships of MANY team before the fight with PL) fight occurred before EVE-Mail API was introduced.
EVE-Mail API - November 2009: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=716
PL vs MANY, at7 - earlier than September 2009 (youtube vid was uploaded at this date): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g_kQw_b0SQ

Also, according to timestamps information was pulled extremely fast and had virtually no caching period.

ps Some buddy sent me full collection of old awox stuff a while ago, found the discussed piece (cmd_whois function in ircevents module) - it was using injection and directly requested info from server's corp service, thus no locator and API was required to get it.


You really are trying too hard.
Chekxxx
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-05-31 15:23:27 UTC
Phoenus wrote:


You really are trying too hard.


Oh hi, Pot!
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#53 - 2012-05-31 15:53:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
The sphere is a real thing, it's simpler than you all think. All it does is emulate a functional client interface and interfere with certain servercalls and reports on others. It did this by simply having API access to the opponents team and querying beyond it's normal scope. It is better used to intercept, such that it can remove you from local:

http://i.imgur.com/Ckhdp.jpg

CCP haven't changed their servercode since so it still works.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#54 - 2012-06-01 14:21:35 UTC
ElextriX wrote:
It doesn't give ship types..... here's a c n p of a recent one

I found ##### for you.
From: Ergrad Amelsolf
Sent: 2012.05.05 20:19

I've found your sleazebag.

He is at Kamela V - 24th Imperial Crusade Logistic Support station in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region.

With regards,

Ergrad Amelsolf

it does if they're in a ship in space. that guy is in a station
Mystic Bull
Chaos From Order
#55 - 2012-06-01 15:08:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Mystic Bull
I have no idea about this program. All I know is that we debated using a BS heavy setup and decided we weren't going to let PL beat us with their bomber setup. I remember after the fight (was flying bullshoals) thinking wow these guys are geniuses. They brought the exact counter to our setup. If it's true, its very sad. We put a huge amount of time and effort into the tourney and we had a very solid team with no chance of success. Just hope this won't be the case again for ATX but I have no confidence in the integrity at this point.

On a side note, i've rather enjoyed reading the butthurt from Hydra and Outbreak. Seems some think they are above the rules and it's nice to see CCP follow through with the punishment. ATX won't be worse for this, that's for sure....

Edit: The MANY team put their ships together while docked in Jita 4-4 and never undocked them prior to the match...
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#56 - 2012-06-01 15:10:58 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
ElextriX wrote:
It doesn't give ship types..... here's a c n p of a recent one

I found ##### for you.
From: Ergrad Amelsolf
Sent: 2012.05.05 20:19

I've found your sleazebag.

He is at Kamela V - 24th Imperial Crusade Logistic Support station in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region.

With regards,

Ergrad Amelsolf

it does if they're in a ship in space. that guy is in a station

It doesn't, I assume what they did here was have a directors API key, which give ship and system. There's no evidence to suggest the station it's listing isn't a manually entered "last known" location, or whether some other scripting is going on to put it all together.

If the agent located a character in space, the message is the same but there isn't a station listed.

It'll just be "He is in the Kamela system, Sasen constellation of The Bleak Lands region" from an agent.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Time Funnel
Perkone
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-06-05 01:48:33 UTC
Can we get confirmation that any sort of Python injection allowing a team to divine the ship that a pilot is currently sitting is has been fixed?

I did notice that Hydra always brought Anti-ECM when a team brought ECM. I also noticed that Hydra brought up the vulnerability after getting banned in a sort of "we all knew about it" sort of way.

So is it fixed? Did it exist?
Fish Brain
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#58 - 2012-06-05 11:02:05 UTC
It was Monkeysphere that "brought it up" you eggplant. And PL already preemptively damage controlled. Good luck with your official answer though.
Time Funnel
Perkone
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-06-05 14:08:12 UTC
Also is there anything in the GM or ISD tools that would allow the same sort of functionality? Looking at character's ships, items, implants etc?
PAJB666
True Power Team
#60 - 2012-06-06 21:16:31 UTC
Norma Rae wrote:

Gonna give you a like for this post.
For the sheer stupidity of it.

Post with your main =)