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Best ship to counter frigates and cruisers harassing your system.

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Elliot Vodka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-05-27 06:33:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Elliot Vodka
Restricted to frigates and cruisers. Try to be in the park of tech 1 cruisers.

Needs to be able to tackle frigates and cruisers solo because my corp mates are lazy and dont care.

There cruisers are generally drone or long range pests.

I want to make home system defender role ship, not going to be traveling many other place.

Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?"

Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#2 - 2012-05-27 07:17:44 UTC
Battlecruiser, things like the Hurricane as excellent at both, speed to catch cruisers easily, as well as ab fit frigs, can decimate cruisers with its dps and cause frigates serious problems with double neuts/double webs + a flight of lights, excellent tracking on the guns further helps the cause.

I'd suggest a 1600mm plate fit with 220mms, double neuts, double webs, excellent for taking on multiple frigs/cruisers.
Liam Mirren
#3 - 2012-05-27 07:24:37 UTC
It all depends on where you live (low sec, 0.0, WH), who's attacking you (idiots or proper pvpers), how many they bring, what backup you have etc etc etc. Ship and fit choices depend heavily on the scenario and strategy you need/want to use, so there's no simple answer (there never is a simple answer in EVE, not really).

Having said that, a BC will probably do fine and they're very cost effective, either a Drake or Hurricane makes full sense. Do note that pvp isn't about the ship you fly, but about what you KNOW so if you're new to pvp then it doesn't matter what you fly because you'll lose it in seconds. If that's the case buy yourself a bunch of frigates (you can lose many frigs for one BC), make sure you don't have expensive implants in, then read a lot of pvp, watch some vids and go for it. You'll learn much more from frigate pvp than from using bigger/slower ships.

Don't think that bigger or more expensive (fit) ships will save you if you're new to pvp, they won't. Once you do get some experience (or you're in a gang with a capable FC) then a BC makes full sense.

Excellence is not a skill, it's an attitude.

Martin0
Brave Empire Inc.
Brave United
#4 - 2012-05-27 07:25:26 UTC
Vexor
Rupture
Arbitrator

All 3 can kill frigates witth drones+neut and are good vs cruisers
Elliot Vodka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-27 07:51:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Elliot Vodka
Ok, situation,


Low sec, not far from null sec.

A total mix of pvpers and noobs, but the ones that harras our station are mostly pvp experience.

There is ALWAYS one of them in our system, but they are not usually organized unless they are in a fleet.

i would say 2 people would warp in to help them in frigs if it happens. usually at least 30s.

There is a tornado trying around, its like an annoying boomerang, all he does is warp in an out of worlds looking for an afk he can pop from 50k away.

Im good with a frig. decent with a cruiser, (Mostly just support with it)

I wouldn't want to take a battle cruiser for a spin, not until a few more skills at least.

Thanks for all imput and suggestions!

Would a black ops ship be good choice for... surprising them for close warp disruption then gank or...eh, never heard much on them being lone pvp. Its a shot in the dark.

Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?"

Lili Lu
#6 - 2012-05-27 15:13:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Vexor or Abitrator can send 5 bonused light drone after the frigs or 5 bonused medium drones after the cruisers. Tackle will always be a problem using a cruiser against a frig. Realistically you can't do it all in one ship. A Stabber might be another option. It has good speed for the tackle. Also the light missile spewing Caracal is another option against frigs.

Regardless, be prepared if you find success to no longer be one-on-one with the harrassers. They will either bait you into a group gank, or will stop engaging in their harrassment solo. You should be prepared as well to have buds to bait and group with. An excellent tech I cruiser to use as a wing mate is a Blackbird. As long as ecm is so powerful against tech I frigs and cruisers why not use it.

Have fun.

Edit - Ok why are you even talking about a Black Ops ship? From your op it sounded like you wanted a cheap solo option with which to fight in. Do you realize the sp and isk investment in a balck ops? And btw the BO ship is mostly just a bus for dropping other folks in bombers and recons on top of enemy ships. Rarely will you want it to engage in the fight as well.
Wacktopia
Fleet-Up.com
Keep It Simple Software Group
#7 - 2012-05-27 22:52:33 UTC
You can't use a black ops solo for reasons I won't go into (google is ur friend).

If I were you I would blue ball them until you can do some creative ganking in 'Cane or whatever. If you lose risers to them they will likely come back for more and creatively bait you out of a few hulls.

Kitchen sink? Seriousy, get your ship together -  Fleet-Up.com

Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#8 - 2012-05-28 08:09:46 UTC
Any cruiser with a medium neut will wreck a close range frig.

A Taranis Interceptor with a tracking disruptor will smash frigs and cruisers alike - but not 3v1.

A rupture with a 1600mm plate and neuts can sit on a station and gib people.

A Caracal with a full set of heavy missile (not rapid light) punches really hard.

but when it comes down to it, the best to beat them is to have friends show up and help out.
CrazySpaceHobo
Haddock's Legitimate Trading
#9 - 2012-05-28 11:26:36 UTC
Rapid Light Missile Caracal/Navy Caracal.

Every Time.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-05-28 11:34:10 UTC
CrazySpaceHobo wrote:
Rapid Light Missile Caracal/Navy Caracal.

Every Time.



Navy Caracal is simply a frig terminator, has a decent tank and speed and if you fly it properly (requires good skills/fit) it's the tornado dude who's going to move on, those things have no tank and your Caracal is good enough to make it pee his pants/kill it (light missiles projection/dmg is better than many people think)

Navy Vexor is also a hell of a cruiser, properly tanked is very hard to hit (sign radius) provided you have top drone skills and tank. Of course this means you need to tackle the dam thing but even a noob in a simple celestis and damps/point can make that tornado look like an idiot.

brb

Skelee VI
Appetite 4 Destruction
#11 - 2012-05-28 12:39:57 UTC
Cane
Cynabal
Harbinger
Thrashers
Thorax with neut & web
Fleet Warpsujarento
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-28 13:09:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Fleet Warpsujarento

I have an arty Nado, I fly it every day,
When the frigs come hunting, I'll make the bastards pay.
Nado Nado Nado, it hits from 90k
Nado Nado Nado, I'll alpha them away.
Dread Pirate Pete
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-28 13:21:28 UTC
Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:

I have an arty Nado, I fly it every day,
When the frigs come hunting, I'll make the bastards pay.
Nado Nado Nado, it hits from 90k
Nado Nado Nado, I'll alpha them away.


*wins thread
Skorpynekomimi
#14 - 2012-05-28 14:55:15 UTC
Frig/dessy/cruiser/BC. Either beat them at their own game, or take them out with ships designed to take out their ship classes.

If you're being harassed, harass them right back, with overwhelming force.

Economic PVP

sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-28 15:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: sabre906
Hunting frigs? -> Sabre.Big smile
Boomhaur
#16 - 2012-05-29 02:13:28 UTC
Fleet Warpsujarento wrote:

I have an arty Nado, I fly it every day,
When the frigs come hunting, I'll make the bastards pay.
Nado Nado Nado, it hits from 90k
Nado Nado Nado, I'll alpha them away.


Your kid or future kids have the best freaking nursery rhymes .

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

Elliot Vodka
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-29 18:09:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Elliot Vodka
I thank you all for your suggestions.
Our corp leader has gotten aboard on the anti faggotry train, so this process has become alot easier.
(I think he finally got popped after telling me to just avoid them) lol


Hearing alot of unique suggestions, ill enjoy trying a few of these out.
Missiles always seemed fun but im already heavy into drone skill. (Who says i cant master two though right?)


I don't think artillery would work unless i got the drop on them, i think it would just aggravate enough to get a fleet up.
I need something that can tackle fast enough that i can get one or 2 then warp off before they go on a rampage. :)
If i go that route, perhaps... yes.... no wait.... something.... brain...farting.....

Oh my ive just hatched a wonderful idea....
If it works... great scott... Thank you all... There is a chance this thread will spawn something wonderful today... >:)

Why is it that people think this game is for everyone?A better question would be "Why do some people think this game is only for them?"

Mechael
Tribal Liberation Distribution and Retail
#18 - 2012-05-30 06:00:39 UTC
Very generally speaking, destroyers will counter the frigates and battlecruisers will counter the cruisers.

Battleships counter battlecruisers, which counter cruisers, which counter destroyers, which counter frigates. Smaller ships (at close ranges) counter battleships provided you bring enough firepower and we're not talking about giant blobs (because giant blobs break the game's balancing due to the turret damage formula not modifying the sig res of turrets over range.)

Whether or not you win the game matters not.  It's if you bought it.

Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#19 - 2012-05-30 06:30:15 UTC
The vexor is an amazingly cost effective frigate mulching machine. Use a 1600 plate and small guns.

thhief ghabmoef

Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-05-30 16:52:51 UTC
AML Caracal, its cheap and effective, destroys Frigs and Dessys and can put a hurting on all but the tankiest Cruisers
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