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Why The Damage Control Crash?
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Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Insidious.
#1 - 2012-05-26 23:53:31 UTC
Since the middle of april, some of the damage control units, namely:

- Internal Force Field Array I (meta 4)
- F85 Peripheral Damage System I (meta 2)
- Pseudoelectron Containment Field I (meta 3)

have all dropped to about 30% of the price they've been at for the last year... is this JUST due to loot table modification and people going back to missioning after the incursion nerf?

I've noticed volume traded has also doubled in a few cases, so leaves me wondering what's caused this :S curious stuff.
Tesal
#2 - 2012-05-27 02:26:14 UTC
Meta stuff is down across the board.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#3 - 2012-05-27 03:44:45 UTC
CCP removing meta0 drops from missions seemed to bump named drops up.
Death ToU
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-27 06:21:26 UTC
Meta 0 drops being removed.
Other meta items drop rate increased.
Incursions being nerfed.
More people running missions.
More people now salvaging missions again.
More meta 2,3,4 items to Market.
Lower prices.
Aina Sasaki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-27 09:37:35 UTC
Meta drops in general took a huge price hit. I wish I had predicted it beforehand, because it cost me alot of ISK. Thankfully that's been more than made up for. :)

- Rei
Johnny Frecko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-05-27 11:36:00 UTC
To be more specific:

The loot tables changed without anyone being aware before hand.
Consider it a ninja-fix they did.
and yes, all metas are down as stated before
/end repeat
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Insidious.
#7 - 2012-05-27 11:41:38 UTC
Cheers guys, thought it might have been some manipulation.
Tessla Coil
Pirannha Corp
#8 - 2012-05-27 12:24:35 UTC
Johnny Frecko wrote:
To be more specific:

The loot tables changed without anyone being aware before hand.
Consider it a ninja-fix they did.
and yes, all metas are down as stated before
/end repeat


What makes it all the more fun is I remember reading a dev reply to the question of the other meta drops would be altered with the meta 0 removal. The answer from the dev was an emphatic NO.

Now look at the trading history of numerous meta items.
They started dipping slightly BEFORE the meta item changes.

I am sure it is pure coincidence, because CCP dev's would NEVER, EVER give their friends ingame an advantage.
Aina Sasaki
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-27 17:37:55 UTC
Tessla Coil wrote:
Johnny Frecko wrote:
To be more specific:

The loot tables changed without anyone being aware before hand.
Consider it a ninja-fix they did.
and yes, all metas are down as stated before
/end repeat


What makes it all the more fun is I remember reading a dev reply to the question of the other meta drops would be altered with the meta 0 removal. The answer from the dev was an emphatic NO.

Now look at the trading history of numerous meta items.
They started dipping slightly BEFORE the meta item changes.

I am sure it is pure coincidence, because CCP dev's would NEVER, EVER give their friends ingame an advantage.


That's a rather cynical outlook... or perhaps i'm the one being naive.

- Rei
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#10 - 2012-05-27 18:51:37 UTC
yhe they should really cut the drops on meta 4, the seeding is exceeding the amount of player in the game.
Saidin Thor
The Odin Conspiracy
#11 - 2012-05-27 21:03:55 UTC
Aina Sasaki wrote:
Tessla Coil wrote:
Johnny Frecko wrote:
To be more specific:

The loot tables changed without anyone being aware before hand.
Consider it a ninja-fix they did.
and yes, all metas are down as stated before
/end repeat


What makes it all the more fun is I remember reading a dev reply to the question of the other meta drops would be altered with the meta 0 removal. The answer from the dev was an emphatic NO.

Now look at the trading history of numerous meta items.
They started dipping slightly BEFORE the meta item changes.

I am sure it is pure coincidence, because CCP dev's would NEVER, EVER give their friends ingame an advantage.


That's a rather cynical outlook... or perhaps i'm the one being naive.


It's much more likely people were just being careful. If I traded in meta mods (which admittedly I don't, but hypothetically) I would have liquidated everything before patch hit and waited a week or two to start again and see if any funny business was going on. I'm sure many other competent traders came to the same conclusion.
Johnny Frecko
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-27 22:31:12 UTC
you would have no reason doing that as a trader, because they assured everyone that the loot table will be unchanged.
They're just changing meta 0 with metal scraps.
in reality they changed the loot table.

So there's no way to safely protect your assets through a ninja-nerf.
for that matter stop trading everything before a patch comes out, in case a ninja nerf is coming.
that's why we have patch notes.
Lord Jita
Lord Jita's Big Gay Corp
#13 - 2012-05-27 22:33:17 UTC
how do we know they changed loot table ? was there a post or blog somewhere after they said they just replaced with metal scraps?
Ms Bax
Union Of EVE
#14 - 2012-05-28 03:42:01 UTC
Lord Jita wrote:
how do we know they changed loot table ? was there a post or blog somewhere after they said they just replaced with metal scraps?

Not that I've seen.
Ashina Sito
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-28 03:58:52 UTC
Ms Bax wrote:
Lord Jita wrote:
how do we know they changed loot table ? was there a post or blog somewhere after they said they just replaced with metal scraps?

Not that I've seen.



Yes, they did... somewhere.

They just replaced Meta 0 loot with metal scraps. To do anything else would require an adjustment to the tables themselves. They did not want to go there. So it was a simple swap.

The best answer was the guy above who mentions that with people leaving incursions they probably moved back to missions and so there are more people looting resulting in more loot to be sold. Simple answer is best answer.
Zarific
Frekmacinations
#16 - 2012-05-29 16:30:51 UTC
Ashina Sito wrote:
Ms Bax wrote:
Lord Jita wrote:
how do we know they changed loot table ? was there a post or blog somewhere after they said they just replaced with metal scraps?

Not that I've seen.



Yes, they did... somewhere.

They just replaced Meta 0 loot with metal scraps. To do anything else would require an adjustment to the tables themselves. They did not want to go there. So it was a simple swap.

The best answer was the guy above who mentions that with people leaving incursions they probably moved back to missions and so there are more people looting resulting in more loot to be sold. Simple answer is best answer.



In addition to more people missioning, when looting, metal scraps take up less space than meta 0 loot did. I'd bet that missioners weren't exactly discriminatory in their looting, as that takes more time than just looting and moving to the next mission. With loot volume down, it means more meta items are getting pick up and sold.

More missioners + more meta items being picked up and sold = higher volume and lower prices.

Zar
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#17 - 2012-05-29 16:47:36 UTC
I think "Meta 4 droprate increaseD?!" is the new "Stealth Invention Succes RAte NERF!?!!"
Debiru
Universal Fleet Operations
#18 - 2012-05-29 16:54:13 UTC
Increase in missioners, increase in salvagers, speculation. Those are the factors resulting in the drop in Meta prices. Loot tables were not changed, all meta 0 items were replaced with scrap metal specifically because it would take too long to readjust the entire loot table across all the NPCs (each is done individually).

The fact that the prices started dipping BEFORE the loot changes were implemented is just further evidence of speculator-driven changes, not this ridiculous and vague-as-all-hell conspiracy theory about devs giving friends benefits.

In fact, the most logical thought in my mind is that speculators saw the impending incursion nerf and the resulting migration back to missioning and dropped their Meta stockpiles on market to get as much as they could before it dropped even further. This fits in perfectly with the fact that prices dipped BEFORE the changes, and the fact that this is the most common reaction on market to upcoming game changes. We saw the opposite with minerals (buying up stockpiles, due to upcoming reduction in supply), with ship prices (which everyone knew would spike along with the mineral prices), no surprise on Meta drops getting dumped when people saw that supply would increase, driving the price down. Only one that didn't follow that was the T3 loot/salvage/items dipping in response to Incursion nerf, which probably was spared due to the much lower quantities of the goods available to be dumped on market.


Speculators read dev blogs and profit from upcoming changes. Conspiracy theorists ignore blogs, get hit with changes, THEN try to find out why what happened, and explain it away with pointing fingers instead of admitting their own short-sightedness.
Lauren Hellfury
Super Happy Awesome Fun Times
#19 - 2012-05-29 17:56:40 UTC
Don't forget that you can now get a very quick and easy rough valuation of any mod before you loot it. Combine that with the fact that to many people the removal of m0 mods means that they are only left with the worthwhile stuff so looting makes more sense.

Then add in the return to missions of all the incursion bears that were totally in it only for the community, right up to the point where it stopped being the easiest way to earn lots of isk.

We're surprised that m1-4 dropped? Really?

Ok, I took a little hit on some hulls but I was out of the meta markets before the patch.

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Bifordus Maximus
MissoCorp
#20 - 2012-05-29 20:37:47 UTC
I can say from doing many missions since the nerf that drop rates of meta 3 and 4 modules have increased. Specifically the the ones you mentioned. I remember being happy if I got one of those in a months time. Now I get at least 1-3 of them on specific missions.

My question is will this cause T2 modules to go up or down in price or stay the same. I ask since Meta 4's seemed to be used in Certain PvP methods more than T2 (correct me if I am wrong on that). Will that cause the demand for T2 modules to go down? Or will they remain the same because of the materials needed to produce those items to begin with?
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