Ships & Modules

Honestly I think the biggest "problem" is similar to the Titan issue.

I have to believe that CCP intended for T3's to be fairly uber. They are the ONLY ship that costs you isk AND SP when you die. Lose 4 HAC's and you are out some isk. Lose 4 T3's and you lose almost a month of training (assuming subs to 5).

The bigger issue, like Titan's is that people are making way more isk than expected. When T3's were introduced I would guess CCP expected their cost and SP loss factors would limit their use. Just like they never expected there to be so many Titan's in game.

you fail at eft. you also fail at arguments when trying to put words in my mouth.

I hate having to repeat myself because people on eve-o are too dumb to actually read posts before responding to them

Nowhere did I actually say that you said that, however you did come out and say it was possible, hence the "defend it" part

Christ it's like talking to a child




The only way is with 4x Estamel BCS and both 6% dps implants, and heat.

Which is, of course, a totally reasonable comparison to a T2-fit proteus

I think you have no idea what "pay-to-win" means and if you think a single T3 can take on 5 T2 cruisers without the use of a multibillion-isk fit, links, and a set of expensive implants, I have bad news about your grasp of PVP in EVE: Online

Your point? I have also seen 100mn Tengu's DIAF.

The only ones I have ever seen be that successfull have billions tied up in their fits and implants and have a loki booster for added speed and point range.

I have also seen a nano drake solo at least that many ships, with the addition of some fast frigates and BC's chasing him down. Pretty sure he had an offgrid booster as well.

Yes 100mn tengu's can be a tough nut to crack. But they cost tons of isk, are not "I win" buttons by any means. Without links to get a super long point they have to risk getting very close to tackle range themselves. They can't turn for crap and can be easily caught if the pilot is not extremely experienced.

I've actually flown a 100mn tengu. It's a good ship with snakes, links, and loki boosts, and a bad ship without. It also has a lot of weaknesses like the fact that it takes 30 seconds to turn around, as already pointed out (I nearly died because of this once), the lack of a utility high for a neut and drone bay for ECM drones makes you extremely vulnerable to light tackle (also almost died because of this, if I didn't have snakes I would have). HMLs with only one web aren't actually that effective against ceptors. Their poor agility also makes it really easy for your target to break your orbit and escape, or intercept your path and apply their own tackle. Oh, and if your AB is on and you get surprised by local spiking, or a hotdrop, or a decloaking rapier, you basically can't warp out until your (15 second duration) AB cycle is finished, and that's assuming you're pointed at something you can warp out to. They're much more vulnerable to surprises than MWD kiting ships.

But crybabies will continue to cry and be babies about 100mn tengus because they're a good counter to mindless drake/cane blobs (and extremely risky against anyone competent), so people who have no PVP experience outside of drakes and canes will get the mistaken impression that 100mn tengus are overpowered.

you make me lol, keep failing bro.

idiot eft warriors are strong in the thread!!!!!!!!

That's what happens when name calling starts want some pop corn?

Personally I believe T3's are a good template as to all how all T1 ships should be rebalanced, with the T2's gaining an edge in the role of specialization over their T1 counterpart and the T3's simply becoming better at "everything" that the hull size/race is supposed to be good at in general, but still not gaining that particular edge over the T2 ship.

If the above was implemented, which I believe to be CCP's intention then the prices of T2's and T3's also need to come down drastically.

Many people think the T1 frig buffs were OP because they became better (or at least more cost effective) than pirate/faction/t2 frigs. I'd agree with them, but that simply means the "better" frigs should be improved upon as well and leave the T1 changes EXACTLY as they are.

CCP started really good with their t1 buffs. Balancing frigates FIRST is the key to balancing all other ships. We must start from the bottom and go up.