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Our man Dagan?

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Emaleena Rogers
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-05-26 21:24:14 UTC
Hi, first post on the forums. Been playing eve on and off for a year, however I've not yet completed the first epic arc, but I'm back on it now but now I'm standing infront of a brick wall that is Our Man Dagan, So I guess I'm still new to the game.

I've did a bit of research on this guy and he is a awkward fight. I'm in a mimitar Rupture and he's using the Mimitar loadout of rockets and autocannons.

My current loadout for this fight is

4 x 425mm autocannons loaded with Titanium Sabot M.
2 x Rapid Light Missile Launcher with Scourge Light Missiles.
3 x Armour explosive hardener
1 x Medium Armour repairer
1 x Damage Control 1
2 x Cap Recharger
1 x experimental 10mn afterburner
2 x hobgoblin 1 light scout drones.

With this setup I'm keeping to a optimal range of 1000m-1300m however I'm struggling to get past this guy as he just shrugs off anything I throw at him. The most I get him to is 50% armour before he takes my shields and armour down (with all three hardeners and repairer going) before I run out of power and have to bail out.

Any tips? I'm determined to solo this guy if it's the last thing I do however I just cant seem to kill him fast enough whilst he just destroys my shields and causes me to run out of power so I'm unable to harden my armour or repair the damage.

Let's get to bashing Butts, as well as deeeez nutts.

Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#2 - 2012-05-26 21:32:27 UTC
Go to http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=ClosingIn1epic and scroll down to Our Man Dagan part. Basically they say you should stay at 10km :)

And in general Eve Survival is a good start for searching info about missions.

Good luck.

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Emaleena Rogers
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-05-26 22:13:03 UTC
So I assume if I'm meant to stay at 10km about, then I should be swapping my weapons for something more effective at longer rangers? from what I read he apparantly counters your choice of faction's vessel, so in this case he uses 1500m-2500m autocannons against me?

Let's get to bashing Butts, as well as deeeez nutts.

Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2012-05-26 22:17:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Louis deGuerre
Fitting more than 2 hardeners of the same type almost never pays of due to the stacking penalty. More than 1 of one type on a frig anything smaller than a battlecruiser is rarely a good idea. You'd better fit a kinetic resist as well vs Dagan. I'm looking with apprehension at the Medium Armour repairer but not a Rifter fit expert so I'll leave it at this, but you're probably better off maximizing resists with an EANM and using small repper.

If you fly minmatar I guess he will be strong against Ex and Kin and do Em/Therm damage. So use EMP ammo for max EM/therm damage and tank EM and Therm. EANM + em + therm hardener would be my first guess. Use artillery weapons to get range if you can't tank him.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#5 - 2012-05-26 22:21:27 UTC
Louis deGuerre wrote:
I'm looking with apprehension at the Medium Armour repairer but not a Rifter fit expert so I'll leave it at this, but you're probably better off maximizing resists with an EANM and using small repper.


You noticed he flies ruppie not a rifter, right? :)

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Louis deGuerre
The Dark Tribe
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#6 - 2012-05-26 22:23:38 UTC
Schmata Bastanold wrote:
Louis deGuerre wrote:
I'm looking with apprehension at the Medium Armour repairer but not a Rifter fit expert so I'll leave it at this, but you're probably better off maximizing resists with an EANM and using small repper.


You noticed he flies ruppie not a rifter, right? :)


Ah my bad. Yeah nvm about the repper then.
Schmata Bastanold
In Boobiez We Trust
#7 - 2012-05-26 22:26:14 UTC
Emaleena Rogers wrote:
So I assume if I'm meant to stay at 10km about, then I should be swapping my weapons for something more effective at longer rangers? from what I read he apparantly counters your choice of faction's vessel, so in this case he uses 1500m-2500m autocannons against me?


I think "counters" means he has resists against damage dealt by your race and he hits your ships racial resists holes. If you have skills 425mm autocannons should hit fine at 10km, if you don't have them fit arty and just volley him from 15km or even more.

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Oraac Ensor
#8 - 2012-05-27 00:29:23 UTC
Why does anyone use a cruiser for this? I used a Thrasher with 200mm ACs - and that was only because I lost my Rifter in a ridiculous tactical error in Burning Down the Hive.
gfldex
#9 - 2012-05-27 00:40:40 UTC
Dagan's resistances are as follows:
Thermal - 81.3%
Kinetic - 77.5%
Explosive - 73.8%
EM - 85%

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Oraac Ensor
#10 - 2012-05-27 00:52:50 UTC
I thought Dagan's resistances depended on which ally is chosen?
Emaleena Rogers
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-05-27 01:13:31 UTC
I eventually got frustrated and teamed up with a pair of cruisers to just blast it him to pieces, although it still took a while.

Let's get to bashing Butts, as well as deeeez nutts.

gfldex
#12 - 2012-05-27 02:03:01 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
I thought Dagan's resistances depended on which ally is chosen?


Not anymore.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#13 - 2012-05-27 06:45:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerath Naaris
I have read somewhere that Dagans´ resistances and damage are the same for all 4 paths, so you might consider omni-tanking.
Or try that new reactive armor module to find out where he does damage (and which is generally amazing, btw).

Anyway, the common opinion on Dagan is to either stay out of his range or get in real close and orbit under his guns. From there it is only a question of wearing him down....


Edit: Also, how about faction ammo? Sure it´s a bit more expensive, but might be worth the avoided frustration. Smile

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Oraac Ensor
#14 - 2012-05-28 05:05:12 UTC
Not necessarily faction ammo, but ammo definitely makes a difference. At first Dagan was repairing damage as fast as I could inflict it, so I swapped to a different type and made steady progress from then onwards.

Sadly, I can't remember what I swapped from/to. Roll
Elya Tubbs
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-07-22 23:04:54 UTC
I don't know what to do, i have started this misson choosing Caldari, it is really strange.

First time i get to Dagan, didn't know what was i going to find, and I simply used a cormorant i with some hybrid weapons, mixed weapons, most of them with iron charges.

I took off his shields really quickly, even destroyed half his armor. Then, suddenly, it began to boost the shield (that was already below zero) and in few seconds he had 100%.

So i reloaded after wasting THOUSANDS of shots.

After a week trying the same ammo and weapons i first had, (that destroyed ALL his shield), i wasn't able to dent him.

So i began to read the forums, some suggesting to use explosive, some suggesting use vamps, some saying "i did it really quickly" and others saying "no way it is possible without help".

I have learned skills, i have a caracal cruiser, filled with NOVA assault missiles (four launchers, two of them Xperimental ones) i have wasted THREE THOUSAND missiles in a row ( I am not exagerating) while using medium vampire at 10km with my cap constantly around 2-10%. I was able to get his shield to 70%, but then boosted again (where does he find cap??? i was under 5% and using the nosferatu!). Then i tried Mjolnir, and after 200 wasted missiles, switched to scourge. Even worse.

I have then tryed to use the cormorant again, vampire, with every kinetik damage i could afford. Not a dent. Then used again the caracal with medium hybrid turrets with antimatter ammo at 500m. Not a dent.

Then i bought 4 425 medium projectile cannon. I learned projectiles to level 3. Used fusion, not a dent, then sabot, not a dent.

Are you all sure that Dagan works as intended?????

Specially after having destroyed SO easily ALL his shields the first time just with iron charges. Don't understand nothing.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#16 - 2012-07-22 23:44:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
If your DPS is low, you simply have to wear down Dagan's capacitor, as he can't boost forever.

I've helped a person before by just taking agro for the time. Once Dagan's capacitor was drained, he went down quickly.

Ask in local for help. That's what most people do (that's how I help people when I happen to be passing by the system). It takes about 2 low-skill cruisers.
Invisusira
Escalated.
OnlyFleets.
#17 - 2012-07-22 23:50:03 UTC
Dagan is basically your first lesson in learning to fleet up, lol. His shield is merciless.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#18 - 2012-07-23 00:31:44 UTC
Invisusira wrote:
Dagan is basically your first lesson in learning to fleet up, lol. His shield is merciless.


This, more or less. Ask for help in Arnon, and someone will likely give you a hand.

While it's certainly possible to just load enough damage onto a cruiser to break Dagan's tank, it's unlikely to be something that's feasible for you on your first run-through of the arc when your skills are relatively low and you have to rely on relatively cheap fittings.

If you really want to get the ****** solo, use faction ammo, make sure you have T2 drones, and consider upgrading to a Battlecruiser. Otherwise, I'd stick with asking for help in Arnon.
Rakael Kateloda
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-07-23 07:34:05 UTC
I first tried it in a Cormorant, couldn't put a dent in him. Went back to doing missions while skilling up for the caracal and just a few days ago went back to Arnon and tried again. This time it was piece of cake. It did take a while with one of the heavy missile types I had loaded up at the time, until I got bored and switched to another heavy missile type, after which he went down like butter. Can't remember which type the ammo I switched to was though.
Barrak
The Painted Ones
#20 - 2012-07-23 08:36:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrak
^

You probably switched to 'SCOURGE'.


  1. Caldari missile ships 'generally' get a bonus to Scourge ammo which is KINETIC
  2. His Kinetic resist is 2nd lowest.


So, you probably switched TO Kinetic picking up a damage bonus and hitting his weak spot, hence why you noticed much more damage.

Regards
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