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I am not going to watch AT X if it goes on like that

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Ausf
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-05-26 20:23:06 UTC
Michael Bolton, I can't believe a man of your intelligence believes for one second that just because an alliance doesn't practice together on SISI that they are not in cahoots with other friendlies, regarding tactics setups etc. What’s the problem if any alliance wants to cough up the isk and join the AT.? Let big alliances field 3,4,5 teams if they want as long as they pay their money and beat what’s put in front of them, then they deserve to be where they get. This type of sh*t goes on in the real world. Look at F1, they pick and choose which driver wins a race it's part of an overall plan. I understand you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you, so please get off the CCP fence and do what’s right by admitting ATX will be a lot worse off without the 3 teams banned. Yes last year’s final was a sham, but hey it's all in the past now. Again as mentioned earlier, no eye lids would have been battered if only one of them got to the final. They got there on their own merits, hard work and skill by beating what was put in front of them on the day.
michael boltonIII
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-05-26 20:48:22 UTC
ScoRpS wrote:
Thats a lot of presumptions and not alot of evidence which has been the mode of operation for this entire mess. A simple word would have sufficed instead of an orchestrated witch hunt. I dont have any ill feelings towards any other teams entered but the hate campaign instigated against us is unjust. And if the event organisers endorse it then it's easy to buy into it.

It's a tainted event now and I feel bad for the remaining teams. It will be interesting to watch still and I would urge no one to not watch it if only to see how the event officials will at some point have to address what has transpired here on a live stream.

It's going to be embarrassing for them and a mildly ammusing for me.

We will continue playing the game as it is without doubt a brilliant game just a shame that complete morons control the AT.

The ATX team should get over themselves as they are just administrating some one elses creation and are basically grunts with attitude.


Do you do deny that to any outside observer it looks like you doing exactly the same thing as last year? If a high end team can pick up any other team and share with them all of their setups, theorycraft, and spy information while working together in a single wormhole and single corp and promising to lose to the parent team if they should meet, then there is absolutely no way to differentiate that from what you are doing aside from just taking your word for it.

Hell, people would complain if PL or Darkside picked up a random high sec alliance with it's own history and pilots and then stuck them in a PL corp on sisi and gave them all of their info and jet canned them the plex to buy an auction slot. That alliance would suddenly be way more dangerous than their own skill warranted. There is no way to tell the difference between that scenario and what you guys were doing.

Any sane person would have stayed as far away from looking like you were going to repeat last year, but you guys literally did the exact same thing. Plenty of people would have practiced against you, you both could have had a different alliance scrimmage with you each week. You guys had a good chance to do well this year as separate teams, but even with CCP messing up by not answering your mails, you guys essentially came up with a plan that couldn't have made you look more like the same team.
Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#43 - 2012-05-26 21:02:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Time Funnel
ScoRpS wrote:

Thats a lot of presumptions and not alot of evidence which has been the mode of operation for this entire mess. A simple word would have sufficed instead of an orchestrated witch hunt. I dont have any ill feelings towards any other teams entered but the hate campaign instigated against us is unjust. And if the event organisers endorse it then it's easy to buy into it.

It's a tainted event now and I feel bad for the remaining teams. It will be interesting to watch still and I would urge no one to not watch it if only to see how the event officials will at some point have to address what has transpired here on a live stream.

It's going to be embarrassing for them and a mildly ammusing for me.

We will continue playing the game as it is without doubt a brilliant game just a shame that complete morons control the AT.

The ATX team should get over themselves as they are just administrating some one elses creation and are basically grunts with attitude.


A witch hunt? I suppose you are the victims here...

The real victims are the teams like the PL farm team and RvB who ran into the rules put into place to combat your "brand" of fair play.

Edit: Oh btw thank you for losing your Rook last year. Your name is on the fit in my EFT.
ScoRpS
Moist Wanted.
OnlyFleets.
#44 - 2012-05-26 21:08:44 UTC
michael boltonIII wrote:
ScoRpS wrote:
Thats a lot of presumptions and not alot of evidence which has been the mode of operation for this entire mess. A simple word would have sufficed instead of an orchestrated witch hunt. I dont have any ill feelings towards any other teams entered but the hate campaign instigated against us is unjust. And if the event organisers endorse it then it's easy to buy into it.

It's a tainted event now and I feel bad for the remaining teams. It will be interesting to watch still and I would urge no one to not watch it if only to see how the event officials will at some point have to address what has transpired here on a live stream.

It's going to be embarrassing for them and a mildly ammusing for me.

We will continue playing the game as it is without doubt a brilliant game just a shame that complete morons control the AT.

The ATX team should get over themselves as they are just administrating some one elses creation and are basically grunts with attitude.


Do you do deny that to any outside observer it looks like you doing exactly the same thing as last year? If a high end team can pick up any other team and share with them all of their setups, theorycraft, and spy information while working together in a single wormhole and single corp and promising to lose to the parent team if they should meet, then there is absolutely no way to differentiate that from what you are doing aside from just taking your word for it.

Hell, people would complain if PL or Darkside picked up a random high sec alliance with it's own history and pilots and then stuck them in a PL corp on sisi and gave them all of their info and jet canned them the plex to buy an auction slot. That alliance would suddenly be way more dangerous than their own skill warranted. There is no way to tell the difference between that scenario and what you guys were doing.

Any sane person would have stayed as far away from looking like you were going to repeat last year, but you guys literally did the exact same thing. Plenty of people would have practiced against you, you both could have had a different alliance scrimmage with you each week. You guys had a good chance to do well this year as separate teams, but even with CCP messing up by not answering your mails, you guys essentially came up with a plan that couldn't have made you look more like the same team.


Again a simple word would have sufficed. But its clear to most that we were dealt with a harshness that was unjust and also inconsistant across the board.

I do understand the motivation but we are not strangers, we are part of a greater community and not unapproachable. Being treated in the manner in which we were and so openly is alienating and sets a bad precident for the management of this game.
Officer Nyota Uhura
#45 - 2012-05-26 22:02:37 UTC
ScoRpS wrote:
michael boltonIII wrote:
Do you do deny that to any outside observer it looks like you doing exactly the same thing as last year? ... Any sane person would have stayed as far away from looking like you were going to repeat last year, but you guys literally did the exact same thing.


Again a simple word would have sufficed. But its clear to most that we were dealt with a harshness that was unjust and also inconsistant across the board.

I do understand the motivation but we are not strangers, we are part of a greater community and not unapproachable. Being treated in the manner in which we were and so openly is alienating and sets a bad precident for the management of this game.

Please, could you just accept that you fuk'd up, HTFU and move on? It seems to me that everybody but you guys are getting tired of this discussion.

I admire your skills and dedication, and I think you'd have a very high chance of winning again this year. But now with this endless whining you guys are making yourselves look like a bunch of losers and not the hardcore veterans of cold, cruel Eve universe.

MB3 - thanks for the very good perspective to this debate.
penifSMASH
ElitistOps
Deepwater Hooligans
#46 - 2012-05-26 22:34:22 UTC
Man, Hydra and their nameless alts are getting dumpstered in this thread. If you are as good at EVE as you are at forum warrioring, you wouldn't have made it very far in ATX anyway lmao
Suitonia
Order of the Red Kestrel
#47 - 2012-05-27 00:35:40 UTC
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Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#48 - 2012-05-29 07:42:59 UTC
I'll be watching so more bandwith for me! yeey!

Regards,

me

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Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#49 - 2012-05-29 09:52:52 UTC
Donedy wrote:
Because CCP are clearly partial about the rules they made and a competition with partial judges is not a competition but a masquerade.

I guess im not alone thinking that, so please make an effort CCP and stop acting like childs.

I created a new topic because the old one is locked, and moreover you didnt answered to my questions in the last one.


well, less lag for me.

CCP setting up rules for you to act upon, not for themselves.
They can do whatever they want if they think its better for the game/tournament, shooting themselves in the foot by own rules and letting players advocate their way into something would be simply plain stupid.

Banning a team which ruined one of the past events is certainly a good decision and in favor of all who watches the tournament.
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
#50 - 2012-05-29 10:09:10 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:

Banning a team which ruined one of the past events is certainly a good decision and in favor of all who watches the tournament.

Still interested what your notion of "ruining" is? 2 of the 3 banned teams provided tons of good entertainment on the finals weekend in AT IX. Just the final sucked...

Blahblah
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#51 - 2012-05-29 10:14:52 UTC
Wheedily wrote:
Robert Caldera wrote:

Banning a team which ruined one of the past events is certainly a good decision and in favor of all who watches the tournament.

Still interested what your notion of "ruining" is? 2 of the 3 banned teams provided tons of good entertainment on the finals weekend in AT IX. Just the final sucked...


yeah the finals. In the climax of excitement and the last FINAL round you looked forward to came a big FU, instead of a good match. Its a ruined for me.
Good they wont be able to do this again.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#52 - 2012-05-29 11:12:24 UTC
PL-B is banned, PL allowed. HyBreak-A and HyBreak-B are banned (even though what they did - sparring, sharing tactics, etc - was explicitly stated as being fine by a senior GM, and the tournybums not responding to their questions about it)

This is more of a joke than the finale.

It's a big mix of childish grudges, buttmad and ****-poor communication/management from CCP / the tournybums
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Goonswarm Federation
#53 - 2012-05-29 11:36:07 UTC
Donedy wrote:
Because CCP are clearly partial about the rules they made and a competition with partial judges is not a competition but a masquerade.

I guess im not alone thinking that, so please make an effort CCP and stop acting like childs.

I created a new topic because the old one is locked, and moreover you didnt answered to my questions in the last one.



Good, more bandwidth for the ones that will watch it.
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
#54 - 2012-05-29 12:26:11 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
PL-B is banned, PL allowed. HyBreak-A and HyBreak-B are banned (even though what they did - sparring, sharing tactics, etc - was explicitly stated as being fine by a senior GM, and the tournybums not responding to their questions about it)

This is more of a joke than the finale.

It's a big mix of childish grudges, buttmad and ****-poor communication/management from CCP / the tournybums


Indeed.

Blahblah
Devore Sekk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-05-30 01:39:33 UTC
The tournament is not created and operated by CCP (at significant expense) for the benefit of the teams competing. It is a showcase to the EVE community and gaming community at large, and the AT9 finals were a complete farce, even if everything was technically within the rules. I expect CCP to take whatever steps necessary to create a competitive and fun event showcasing the technology of EVE and talented players' piloting abilities.
Wheedily
Megaton Inc.
#56 - 2012-05-30 05:15:13 UTC
Devore Sekk wrote:
The tournament is not created and operated by CCP (at significant expense)

What was it, 26k Eur in Plex "income" this year for them to be able to host their own marketing event? Roll

Blahblah
Devore Sekk
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-05-30 05:56:10 UTC
Wheedily wrote:
What was it, 26k Eur in Plex "income" this year for them to be able to host their own marketing event? Roll


Really? And you don't think the Tournament costs just slightly more than 26k? A rigged final doesn't provide very good marketing.
Tyzzara
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#58 - 2012-05-30 06:50:23 UTC
I think that we are all taking ourselves WAY too seriously here. Bear

After all, there is no such thing as 'bad' publicity.... right? I am interested to see how ATX unfolds on several levels.

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Cody Zamorah
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-05-30 07:08:12 UTC
AT feels more like an EVE ship now.


All rigged.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#60 - 2012-05-30 10:13:50 UTC
Devore Sekk wrote:
The tournament is not created and operated by CCP (at significant expense) for the benefit of the teams competing. It is a showcase to the EVE community and gaming community at large, and the AT9 finals were a complete farce, even if everything was technically within the rules. I expect CCP to take whatever steps necessary to create a competitive and fun event showcasing the technology of EVE and talented players' piloting abilities.


Wanting to showcase some of the best piloting and combat EVE has to offer
Banning both Hydra and Outbreak, disallowing any/all of them from competing in any form

Pick one.

You can be disappointed with the finale if you like, but you can't deny those two alliances are some of the most talented pilots out there, and banning them all outright (rather than allowing them to pick one team / merge) makes the tournament suffer. As for wanting to showcase the EVE online universe and community in general... how can you NOT include some meta-gaming shenanigans?