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Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#81 - 2012-05-29 20:44:54 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Talking in local is either a noob move from people who don't know better, or it's one of the Aquila guys (coughcoughMesscoughcough) Lol


You just lost the privilege of "gf" in local bro


You guys know I love you. Lol

No trolling please
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#82 - 2012-05-29 20:46:31 UTC
Cybus Max wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Talking in local is either a noob move from people who don't know better, or it's one of the Aquila guys (coughcoughMesscoughcough) Lol



For a diplo that wasn't very diplomatic :P


I am still learning the ropes P

No trolling please
Klarion Sythis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#83 - 2012-05-29 20:57:06 UTC
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Cybus Max wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Talking in local is either a noob move from people who don't know better, or it's one of the Aquila guys (coughcoughMesscoughcough) Lol



For a diplo that wasn't very diplomatic :P


I am still learning the ropes P


Use lots of F-Bombs. People love it and it adds emphasis.
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#84 - 2012-05-29 20:59:40 UTC
Klarion Sythis wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Cybus Max wrote:
Bane Nucleus wrote:
Talking in local is either a noob move from people who don't know better, or it's one of the Aquila guys (coughcoughMesscoughcough) Lol



For a diplo that wasn't very diplomatic :P


I am still learning the ropes P


Use lots of F-Bombs. People love it and it adds emphasis.


I have noted this ******* piece of advice and will proceed to ******* include it in all my ****** up posts and evemails. ****!

No trolling please
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#85 - 2012-05-29 21:02:16 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
you should know full well when you pick on the weaks, the strongers might pick on you


Wait... What? People have allies, and can use them to help defend their assets in WH space? Who knew?

I think I might start a thread and ask around to see just how common this practice is...
Omen Nihilo
Omen Holdings
#86 - 2012-05-29 21:06:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Omen Nihilo
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Omen Nihilo wrote:
The tears in this thread... Twisted

There's a lot of chest-beating and self aggrandizement from your side (THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE!!!), but no tears from either side.

"Your side" was the one that brought up the incident: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1383349#post1383349

TBH this whole thing was a pretty minor, barely worth mentioning. But don't act surprised when you whine about a siege gone wrong and subsequently the trolling starts up...
Bane Nucleus
Dark Venture Corporation
Kitchen Sinkhole
#87 - 2012-05-29 21:12:11 UTC
It's as much about knowing where to find a fight as it is alliances to each other.

We were in the middle of removing some POS's from wh space over the weekend, and we were made aware that several wh corps were rolling their statics, trying to get in. This wasn't because they had ties to the corp we were evicting. It was because they were looking for a fight. This, at least in my opinion, is what seems to drive most of the major wh corps/alliances.

No trolling please
Silverdaddy
Ourapheh Holdings
#88 - 2012-05-29 21:45:43 UTC
Kalel Nimrott wrote:
I wanna FAP. Where do I sign?


Starting a FAP requires initiative. I suggest you take matters into your own hands.P

The problem with slavery is that only half of the manacles are visible. The Holder, supposed master, is equally bound by the gilded chains of privilege and wealth.
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#89 - 2012-05-29 22:58:45 UTC
Apolyon I wrote:
you should know full well when you pick on the weaks, the strongers might pick on you

If you had read my post, or TF's post, you'll see that's exactly what we were expecting.

They were obviously either
a) Alt corps. Of which, some might have friends who have a clue or
b) Hapless carebears

If a) try to fight and have fun. If b) ... well you can hope for an SMA pinata I guess Blink

Last time we went and poked a small alt corp it turned out it belonged to Starbridge and all manner of fun ensued .. in the end we got little resistance and about 6bil in loot for a little effort.

But this time? OH HELL NO HOW DARE YOU! CHRIST! THEY'RE JUST BABIES! WHAT ARE YOU DOING?

Omen Nihilo wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Omen Nihilo wrote:
The tears in this thread... Twisted

There's a lot of chest-beating and self aggrandizement from your side (THIS IS A PUBLIC SERVICE!!!), but no tears from either side.

"Your side" was the one that brought up the incident: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1383349#post1383349

TBH this whole thing was a pretty minor, barely worth mentioning. But don't act surprised when you whine about a siege gone wrong and subsequently the trolling starts up...

Yeah, let's look at the whine.
Trinkets Friend wrote:
Le shrug. It happens


Holy crap, look at them tears.

A dismissive shrug. We're done. Morale bust.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#90 - 2012-05-29 23:01:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Khanh'rhh
Bane Nucleus wrote:
It's as much about knowing where to find a fight as it is alliances to each other.

We were in the middle of removing some POS's from wh space over the weekend, and we were made aware that several wh corps were rolling their statics, trying to get in. This wasn't because they had ties to the corp we were evicting. It was because they were looking for a fight. This, at least in my opinion, is what seems to drive most of the major wh corps/alliances.


Yeah.

WH Space is half the size of K-space yet holds just 8% of the population.

There's a lot of emptiness out there.

Though, I will say that the actual hunt is the whole reason I am there. It once took me nearly an hour to lead a Tengu into a trap, and christ was it a payoff when I was unloading autocannons into it.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#91 - 2012-05-30 01:28:11 UTC
Look at it this way - you guys have not held your cards close to your chest. That's bad poker.

You have provided me with much amusement, with this line of apparently leaving the carebears alone in their nursery to grow up. In fact, this has doubtless been a valuable lesson for them.

Oh wait, no it hasn't, because someone's holding their hands. No doubt they, and you, feel big due to your little pact, and the nubs feel secure and all that, but you aren't doing them any favours. None at all.

Either way, we're out. I know when it is pointless to continue. Clearly we can't compete when the stronger picks on us for picking on the weak. I can't subject my guys to the horrible smacktalk you fellows attempted in local - how will they learn good smacktalk?

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Bernie Nator
Seal Club Six
Plug N Play
#92 - 2012-05-30 01:38:34 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Look at it this way - you guys have not held your cards close to your chest. That's bad poker.

You have provided me with much amusement, with this line of apparently leaving the carebears alone in their nursery to grow up. In fact, this has doubtless been a valuable lesson for them.

Oh wait, no it hasn't, because someone's holding their hands. No doubt they, and you, feel big due to your little pact, and the nubs feel secure and all that, but you aren't doing them any favours. None at all.

Either way, we're out. I know when it is pointless to continue. Clearly we can't compete when the stronger picks on us for picking on the weak. I can't subject my guys to the horrible smacktalk you fellows attempted in local - how will they learn good smacktalk?

I teach a class on gentlemanly smack if you're interested.

Costs about 350 if you're interested.
Hidden Fremen
Lazerhawks
L A Z E R H A W K S
#93 - 2012-05-30 02:18:02 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Look at it this way - you guys have not held your cards close to your chest. That's bad poker.


I love how you're convinced of this. Continue on, though.
Van Slyke
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2012-05-30 02:55:03 UTC
I showed up for a fight. Not our fault your bat phone was disconnected. Maybe it will turn out better next time.
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#95 - 2012-05-30 03:48:02 UTC
Can has hugs nao?

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Nathan Jameson
Grumpy Bastards
#96 - 2012-05-30 03:58:47 UTC
Trinkets friend wrote:
Can has hugs nao?


I, too, desire these hugs of which you speak.

This thread has left me listless and generally questioning my direction in life.

http://www.wormholes.info
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#97 - 2012-05-30 04:57:08 UTC
My advice, Nathan, is to move into the aforementioned wormhole, where hugs and rainbows exist in readily exploitable quantities. I cannot guarantee this will dispel your ennui, in which case, one must reconsider the aphorism "money can't buy you happiness" in a new light and consider that statement is perhaps false. Having come to this philosophical conundrum, you can then explore various other initiatives to provide you with self-actualisation and a sense of accmplishment; my favorite is violencing spaceships when hugs simplay are not enough.

~~ Localectomy Blog ~~
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#98 - 2012-05-30 09:19:13 UTC
Hidden Fremen wrote:
Trinkets friend wrote:
Look at it this way - you guys have not held your cards close to your chest. That's bad poker.


I love how you're convinced of this. Continue on, though.

You know, a word of advice for your corp (though others in wormholes should listen in)

When you hire new members, make sure they have deleted the Full API key that they may have given to another corp as part of an attempted application. They can make an infinite number of new API keys so there's really no need to re-use them like this.

Back on topic:

I think the most important thing this thread has demonstrated unintentionally is you need not only blues, but blues who you share a common ideology with. I tend to think a lot of small groups (potentially OP) will blue because they simply don't want to aggress them, which in my mind is a poor blue. If you share a culture and ideals you're more likely to fight alongside one another better. Think modern CFC vs old Northern Coalition.

There's a reason we poke people with sticks and see who shows up; half assed and apathetic blues who are disorganized make a good target when you have to accept most pitched fights will leave you outnumbered. The actual "wormhole coalition" as it was known, was a good example of this; most corps were only in it to stop themselves being a target and had little interest in actually riding to the defense of others. When the bell was tolled, the results were an apathetic rabble who started to run as soon as the first ship hit armour.

I guess my tl;dr is - Blue people who you want to fight with; there's nothing saying you can't also have them as people you fight against.

"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual,

Cybus Max
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#99 - 2012-05-30 10:20:48 UTC
I think the argument here is pointless it is one of the great dynamics of w-space that one week you could be fighting along one entity as brothers in arms and the next week your tearing chunks out of each other.

Very few grudges are held in w-space (some are) but most WH corps will happily do everything they can to kill you and then if you ask them for help next week be happy to come along.

If you need reinforcements to get a job done being it defending, invading whatever your going to call those reinforcements.

For instance take the recent fight between exhale and starbridge vs Last chancers, aharm, norcorp, pandora sphere, Artic light. Last chancers were invading inferno technologies WH so we went along to help them out/get a good fight. Last chancers had the static locked down so the only way for us to get in was to chain collapse a C6. So we borrowed starbridge's static and chianed for about 8 hrs to find the system. We then went in hot and heavy and killed a archon, 3 bill bhaal and some t3's. Last chancers then batphoned the alliances mentionned above and they brought a force in.... To cut a long story short we fought exhale and starbridge won. Once the fight was over there was no hating or whatever it was agreed between the two sides to allow the other to leave peacefully and everyone was happy (ish).

This shows that no bad feelings are held between parties and next time others will team up with each other because it is whats needed to get the job done. Everyone gets a good fight so whats the problem.

Now if you call in extra numbers just to create a large blob and to just crush all hope the other side has then this is wrong and most likely your allies won't come when you ask next time..
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#100 - 2012-05-30 11:17:32 UTC
Most people in this thread do not seem to realize that having your home system sieged is not fun and if you are sieged you are not interested in good fights, you want to survive and repel the attackers by all means available. I guess the big corp guys have forgotten how it feels to lose your main/only base in w-space and all the assets. Regardless of how much or little ISK is lost, the tedious work in finding a new home and/or rebuildung your infrastructure is bad enough.

So please, don't complain when smaller corps are batphoning their friends when you attack their POS. Even if you bring only 10 guys; if your alliance has a few hundred, they'll assume that you will bring more numbers as soon as you aren't winning anymore, and usually their assumption will be correct.

Btw, I have participated in several invasions of small corps' systems and helped destroy everything they had. Sometimes I kept their members on my watchlist for a few weeks and some of them never came back. I do not feel very bad about it because they were failbears who thought they could get away with two guns and no hardeners on their POS, so I was but a tool to enforce Darwin's law. But I do realize it was not a fun experience for them ;)

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