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Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#41 - 2012-05-25 13:05:57 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
True but it sounded like you were saying "Your playstyle is wrong and you should change it". There is other parts to EVE other than null sec, and null isnt and never should be the sole purpose of EVE.


I do think that you highsec players are wrong and terrible, it's a waste of a glorious game to play it the way some people do, and if you actually step back and look at it there's nothing attractive about it, which is why CCP don't make cool trailers and try to sell the game using the epic story of how some guy ran Angel Extravaganza for the 10th time in his officer fit Golem.

But regardless of your opinions if you're finding yourself losing interest in the game to the point where you're going to unsub, then clearly it's time to try something new, and Eve has a lot of new stuff to offer.

Not Amused Responsible wrote:
Perhaps the approach of a null sec alliance can be daunting and maybe it’s not what you know but who you know, null sec hate high sec players, so how can anyone move on? How does TEST look for new players, that won’t get scammed? Or treated as a joke?


Nullsec alliances recruit from anywhere. Other corps in the alliance will have their different methods, standards and requirements with which I'm not familiar. I'm in Dreddit and we'll take anyone with an active Reddit account who just signed up to Eve today. We take 1 day old clueless newbies, give them a Rifter, and titan bridge them into a 600 man fleet battle alongside battleships, capitals and supercaps. They may die gloriously but they'll have more fun than they would have doing the epic mission arc. Some become heroes and get stations named after them.

Also we in nullsec don't 'hate' people in highsec, hate requires more energy than we're willing to put in. They're just insigificant to us, and their whining annoys us when they have the best sources of isk for the smallest amount of risk. We'll occasionally take some time to mess with them, like holding a magnifying glass over the ants nest with campaigns like Burn Jita or Hulkageddon, but it's just fun for us at their expense.

The people that annoy me though are those who are so risk averse that they want to remove all PvP from the game or arrange things so that they're effectively invincible, people who don't want to try, people who should be playing WoW or some kind of single player game.

NotChicken sang a song over TS about highsec... It articulates it better than I can.
http://soundcloud.com/firedmn/pubbies
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#42 - 2012-05-25 13:07:33 UTC
Sycho Pathic wrote:
I think a revamp of the PVE aspects/storyline would go a long way towards maintaining interest.

It's all well and good to be a sandbox where the story is dictated by the players. However, when said story is being driven by cretins and children, it falls woefully short.



The story line has been dead along time it would be nice for CCP to invest some time in this area.
seany1212
M Y S T
#43 - 2012-05-25 13:12:38 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
The recent drop in carebears has impacted in my high sec region, the lack of these players has lead to a drop in PVP and now the new expansion could have put the last nail in the coffin , market movement has dropped of massively and its mostly newbies purchasing ships on the market.

Players spin ships, run missions, read forums and hope that some of their questions get answered.
CCP are losing the battle and maybe now it’s out of their control, new player base is unaware of issues and existing players have lost their passion, it’s not all bad, there has been some good changes, but I’m not sure it’s enough, CCP were given the warning signs but perhaps because they are a peaceful race didn’t heed them.

To all the players in New Eden, I salute you and I hope that you continue to play through these tough times and maybe in a week or two New Eden will return to its forma glory. Present CCP with real ideas and facts and leave petty squabbles behind, CCP is a real corporation with employees and families who need stability, so don’t unsubscribe move forward, breathe life back into New Eden.


1) Its summer

2) Diablo 3

3) Guild Wars 2 beta

4) People have real lives

Pick one of four, lock thread pl0x
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-05-25 13:15:55 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
Present CCP with real ideas and facts and leave petty squabbles behind, CCP is a real corporation with employees and families who need stability, so don’t unsubscribe move forward, breathe life back into New Eden.



Even running a courier delivery mission is a pain in the a**.

It's just quite simply too late. Over and over again the same thing. One would have thought last Summer was the end of the crap.

Welp, we were wrong then weren't we ?

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-05-25 13:24:00 UTC
seany1212 wrote:
Not Amused Responsible wrote:
The recent drop in carebears has impacted in my high sec region, the lack of these players has lead to a drop in PVP and now the new expansion could have put the last nail in the coffin , market movement has dropped of massively and its mostly newbies purchasing ships on the market.

Players spin ships, run missions, read forums and hope that some of their questions get answered.
CCP are losing the battle and maybe now it’s out of their control, new player base is unaware of issues and existing players have lost their passion, it’s not all bad, there has been some good changes, but I’m not sure it’s enough, CCP were given the warning signs but perhaps because they are a peaceful race didn’t heed them.

To all the players in New Eden, I salute you and I hope that you continue to play through these tough times and maybe in a week or two New Eden will return to its forma glory. Present CCP with real ideas and facts and leave petty squabbles behind, CCP is a real corporation with employees and families who need stability, so don’t unsubscribe move forward, breathe life back into New Eden.


1) Its summer

2) Diablo 3

3) Guild Wars 2 beta

4) People have real lives

Pick one of four, lock thread pl0x



Sounds like somebody out of work, all year round holiday
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-05-25 13:31:23 UTC
Jafit wrote:

Nullsec alliances recruit from anywhere.


get real

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Jafit
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-05-25 13:40:02 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Jafit wrote:

Nullsec alliances recruit from anywhere.


get real


IT'S SO REAL!

I WAS THERE!
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-05-25 13:42:59 UTC
Diablo threeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Day zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Dust 514 beta keeeeeeeeey

Max Payne Threeeeeeeeeee

**** its 3:40 in the morning.

Night!

Hello, hello again.
Grammaticus DeVere
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#49 - 2012-05-25 13:43:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Grammaticus DeVere
Mallak Azaria wrote:
So what was so awful about this expansion? Seems people will cry & ***** over anything these days.



+1

Thats probably one of the most intelligent questions ever asked on any EVE forum - kudos to you, sir

Lol

I have noticed though that when I log on (EU prime time, around 1900 game time), there have recently been around 38k players online, which is quite a lot down on the more usual 45k. Maybe because the sun has now appeared in UK skies, we're all spending the evenings outside...
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-05-25 13:46:10 UTC
Grammaticus DeVere wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
So what was so awful about this expansion? Seems people will cry & ***** over anything these days.



+1

Thats probably one of the most intelligent questions ever asked on any EVE forum - kudos to you, sir

Lol



Such high irony here.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Grammaticus DeVere
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-05-25 13:49:54 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
Grammaticus DeVere wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
So what was so awful about this expansion? Seems people will cry & ***** over anything these days.



+1

Thats probably one of the most intelligent questions ever asked on any EVE forum - kudos to you, sir

Lol



Such high irony here.



No irony - honest - just a deep tiredeness with the usual standard of forums responses
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#52 - 2012-05-25 13:50:03 UTC
Jafit wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
True but it sounded like you were saying "Your playstyle is wrong and you should change it". There is other parts to EVE other than null sec, and null isnt and never should be the sole purpose of EVE.


I do think that you highsec players are wrong and terrible, it's a waste of a glorious game to play it the way some people do, and if you actually step back and look at it there's nothing attractive about it, which is why CCP don't make cool trailers and try to sell the game using the epic story of how some guy ran Angel Extravaganza for the 10th time in his officer fit Golem.


So why are you calling people close minded?

Jafit wrote:
But regardless of your opinions if you're finding yourself losing interest in the game to the point where you're going to unsub, then clearly it's time to try something new, and Eve has a lot of new stuff to offer...

...The people that annoy me though are those who are so risk averse that they want to remove all PvP from the game or arrange things so that they're effectively invincible, people who don't want to try, people who should be playing WoW or some kind of single player game.

NotChicken sang a song over TS about highsec... It articulates it better than I can.
http://soundcloud.com/firedmn/pubbies


For the record I'm not unsubbing. I wouldnt do that unless there was actually something important to unsub over.

Removing PvP is a ludicrous suggestion. I dont consider myself Hi, Lo, Null or WH, but I'm pretty damn certain from a few years of playing this game that almost no-one in any part of space wants to remove PvP.

I mean, dont you think your tarring all "pubbies" with the same brush? It seems your blowing a few forum posts way out of proportion.

Besides, CCP put those features there, why cant people use them?

**Vherokior **
Ten Bulls
Sons of Olsagard
#53 - 2012-05-25 14:02:20 UTC
Jafit wrote:
The people that annoy me though are those who are so risk averse that they want to remove all PvP from the game or arrange things so that they're effectively invincible, people who don't want to try, people who should be playing WoW or some kind of single player game.


Go find me a quote where someone said they "want to remove all PvP from the game", im timing you.

If people who play WoW or single player games annoy you then maybe someone can help you with that.
Merovee
Gorthaur Legion
Imperium Mordor
#54 - 2012-05-25 14:04:28 UTC
June is the end for Campaign season in Multi-player On-line Games it doesn't Really pick up till after the last long-weekend in Sept.

Unfortunately its Campaign Season in RL Shocked

Empire, the next new world order.
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-05-25 14:06:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulousli Obvious
Jafit wrote:

Also we in nullsec don't 'hate' people in highsec, hate requires more energy than we're willing to put in. They're just insigificant to us, and their whining annoys us when they have the best sources of isk for the smallest amount of risk.


Propaganda.

'Insignificant' and 'whining'....yes you hate. Or is this like the Bu**Sh** Christians who say love the Sinner but hate the Sin about MY kind ??????

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Tessla Coil
Pirannha Corp
#56 - 2012-05-25 14:20:54 UTC
Jafit wrote:
Ten Bulls wrote:
Jafit wrote:
Also of course you're not having any fun, you're living in highsec. Why not try playing the game that CCP keeps advertising in their trailers.


You mean the sandbox thing, where people get to make their own decisions about how they play ?


Maybe I'm just cynical but the way I interpret your comment is:
"Ignore anyone who advises you to explore or broaden your horizons, knowing nothing other than highsec is okay because Eve is a sandbox and the player isn't forced to know anything but highsec."

What is a decision worth if it's not an informed decision? I played in empire for years, the game only really started for me when I left to live in null, I could never play in Empire again. Most of the people in highsec probably haven't ever known anything else (other than perhaps an EC-P8R gatecamp). If you've tried living in nullsec and you didn't like it, that's fair enough. But your comment seems to be saying that nobody should ever even try. Plus it's not like I was giving an order, just advice.


I did live in null sec. I was part of FCON, flying logi's against russian/ PL/ Raiden supercap fleets, trying to defend a Northern Coalition that had become tired of playing the game and folded up. My main has a scimitar loss with 6 supercarriers on the mail, and of course the Titan that finally DD'ed my logi.

FCON had awful space, was an awful alliance, yet ironically has been one of the few alliances to survive, even flourish after NC died. I have lived in wormholes for extended periods of time, twice. That is actually a good time, but gets extremely difficult living in a C5 without a dedicated crew of critical mass online every day.

So I went back to empire as a holding pattern until I could sort out what to do next.
That was prior to goons, with tacit acceptance, if not outright complicity of CCP's dev's, altered game play to strengthen the null sec power blocs' collective control of the game.

Since then, I have witnessed the rise in power of goons, test, and the rest of the cfc.
As that power rose, I have witnessed the increasingly malicious attacks in game and especially on the forums by the propaganda teams of the null sec zealots.
I have witnessed multiple changes to the games by a lead developer who was ex-goon, and may still be goon, that have had huge negative impact on high sec players, all of which (by pure coincidence I am sure) align perfectly with the desires of the most fervent null sec zealots to wipe out high sec.

As I have witnessed this fundamental shift in the game, I have become increasingly disillusioned with Eve and CCP. I don't really give a damn that goons have risen to be the preeminent power in null. Null sec empires have risen and fallen throughout the history of the game. Congrats to them for pulling it off.

But what I hate now is the fundamental arrogance and malice the null sec zealots display to all empire dwellers and the unfairness that CCP increasingly is building into the game, allowing the null sec zealots to further their agenda.

I have had enough, and this account's last plex lapses in early June.
Maybe there is a tiny minority of players that are quitting.
Maybe their subscriptions will be replaced easily.
Then again, maybe not.
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-05-25 14:25:03 UTC
Grammaticus DeVere wrote:


No irony - honest - just a deep tiredeness with the usual standard of forums responses


If you call this 'standard' I'd really prefer not to experience YOUR version of Forum Rage.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Not Amused Responsible
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-05-25 15:02:03 UTC
Tessla Coil wrote:
Jafit wrote:
Ten Bulls wrote:
Jafit wrote:
Also of course you're not having any fun, you're living in highsec. Why not try playing the game that CCP keeps advertising in their trailers.


You mean the sandbox thing, where people get to make their own decisions about how they play ?


Maybe I'm just cynical but the way I interpret your comment is:
"Ignore anyone who advises you to explore or broaden your horizons, knowing nothing other than highsec is okay because Eve is a sandbox and the player isn't forced to know anything but highsec."

What is a decision worth if it's not an informed decision? I played in empire for years, the game only really started for me when I left to live in null, I could never play in Empire again. Most of the people in highsec probably haven't ever known anything else (other than perhaps an EC-P8R gatecamp). If you've tried living in nullsec and you didn't like it, that's fair enough. But your comment seems to be saying that nobody should ever even try. Plus it's not like I was giving an order, just advice.


I did live in null sec. I was part of FCON, flying logi's against russian/ PL/ Raiden supercap fleets, trying to defend a Northern Coalition that had become tired of playing the game and folded up. My main has a scimitar loss with 6 supercarriers on the mail, and of course the Titan that finally DD'ed my logi.

FCON had awful space, was an awful alliance, yet ironically has been one of the few alliances to survive, even flourish after NC died. I have lived in wormholes for extended periods of time, twice. That is actually a good time, but gets extremely difficult living in a C5 without a dedicated crew of critical mass online every day.

So I went back to empire as a holding pattern until I could sort out what to do next.
That was prior to goons, with tacit acceptance, if not outright complicity of CCP's dev's, altered game play to strengthen the null sec power blocs' collective control of the game.

Since then, I have witnessed the rise in power of goons, test, and the rest of the cfc.
As that power rose, I have witnessed the increasingly malicious attacks in game and especially on the forums by the propaganda teams of the null sec zealots.
I have witnessed multiple changes to the games by a lead developer who was ex-goon, and may still be goon, that have had huge negative impact on high sec players, all of which (by pure coincidence I am sure) align perfectly with the desires of the most fervent null sec zealots to wipe out high sec.

As I have witnessed this fundamental shift in the game, I have become increasingly disillusioned with Eve and CCP. I don't really give a damn that goons have risen to be the preeminent power in null. Null sec empires have risen and fallen throughout the history of the game. Congrats to them for pulling it off.

But what I hate now is the fundamental arrogance and malice the null sec zealots display to all empire dwellers and the unfairness that CCP increasingly is building into the game, allowing the null sec zealots to further their agenda.

I have had enough, and this account's last plex lapses in early June.
Maybe there is a tiny minority of players that are quitting.
Maybe their subscriptions will be replaced easily.
Then again, maybe not.




This is a loss that should have been avoided, another Eve vet leaving but don't worry people because Diablo 3 is here!, just to let you know, i lookforward to the day you return to Eve.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#59 - 2012-05-25 15:25:29 UTC
CCP WAS given the warning....CCP is A corporation, not corporations. CCP WERE given a warning - though this new fashion in subject verb disagreement is a rage sweeping England, it's grammatically incorrect.

If you want plural you'd say "The members of CCP are"

If you say "CCP" then you have to say "is" cause it's singular...ONE corporation.

It's like Manchester United. That's not plural either. It's A team. It's not TEAMS. Manchester United IS. The playerS of Manchester United ARE.

And I thought U.S. schools sucked.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Lucy Ferrr
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2012-05-25 15:34:40 UTC
Not Amused Responsible wrote:



Between myself and my family we have unsubscribed 8 accounts, I pay annually, I thought this was the answer too but nothing had change and I’m sure I’m not the only one, but now my 7 dormant accounts seem to be threatened by the very real possibility of being erased permanently.


That's okay because yesterday I got 3 of my buddies to resub (they all either subbed one month or no monthsafter their trials then didn't resub.). One of my buddies subs 2 accounts, so thats 4 accounts all paid in cash. And the dude with 2 accounts is crazy rich and will probably buy a ton of Plex ontop of his subs. So the moral of my story? You will not be missed.