EVE General Discussion

This whole Ally system seems borked allready.

CCP should have never made it so that a defender allaince can ask multiple corps/ allainces
for help and why ?

instead of boosting the Merc market you just destroyed it completely because there are allready
a **** ton of corps and allaince that just ally up with everyone for having more targets.
Making it harder to actually ask a price for being someones ally for a merc.

Same goes with the wars for big allainces in nullsec.

for a quick example: Against All Authorities wardecced Pandemic Legion.
Now because of the higher wardec costs all the high sec pvp allainces and corporations are all
offering to be an ally for PL like Flies on a big fat pile of **** just so they can have these free wars.

So within a week now all the big null sec allainces have discoverd that its actually not a great idea to
officially wardec a other null sec allainces because of this chaining of allies.
leaving your fantastic features made to get a better overall look at the warstats left in the totall dark once again
and you all did it yourself by instead of leaving that number 1 ally and make limitles.
Offcourse this is my personal view but didn't CCP see this comming ?

How do others think about the new wardec system ? ( would be nice if some guys from Merc allainces could give there opinion )

Sandbox

it'll work itself out

If the system wasn't open to this sort of abuse it would be too closed to promote sandbox gameplay. If the playerbase in eve want to ruin the ally system for a while, it'll happen.

CCP already knew this would be a great way to let people get free wars, and get their allies into war with them for free.

If anything if you're tagging your self as someone who needs defenders it should only be if you're looking to pay someone. There should be an easy way to bring in free allies without littering the merc marketplace with people who don't want someone to give them an offer.

Nobody is forcing Pandemic Legion to seek allies.
Nobody is forcing Pandemic Legion to accept ally requests.

Working as intended.

Only part that needs a real fix right now is not locking allies for the entire duration of a war.

"Mercs" complaining about the 50m war declaration increase. "Mercs" then complain about getting free wars on other terrible primordial highsec dwellers who think that their army of hulks and level four mission-running ravens can blot out the sun. Complaining about more targets is literally the most ******** thing I've seen since Darius III's CSM thread(s). How more barely-combat-capable targets is a bad thing, I do not know. My alt is having a hilarious time blowing up "allied" orca's and mining barges/exhumers.

CCP have made concerted efforts so they look like they listen to the players, they even made the CSM with 14 players, 2 of which represent and care about the majority of players.

They post on these forums regularly telling us how it will be, and criticise or ignore objectors, and generally keeping us informed of who the boss is.

How is that now players can see through their mask...

It could be worse. They could have unified the whole wardec system in the smart Unified Interface To Rule Them All.

At most, there should probably be a small ISK fee (5-20M ISK) paid by the defender for each ally accepted. Putting a hard limit on how many allies you can accept would be too limiting given the open nature of EVE game play. Especially since you can't un-invite an ally to the war, so if you're limited to N allies and your first N allies are bogus choices, you'd be stuck without the ability to hire competent ally N+1 who shows up a day late with an offer.

Maybe once the defender has more control over ally contracts with expiration dates (CCP says this is coming soon), renewals and (most important) the ability to terminate ally contracts; then we can discuss putting limits on how many allies you can bring into the war.

The rest will be sorted out by the market. Including the going rate for good mercenary allies. But I expect that the first few weeks will see merc corps going in as allies on as many wardecs as possible as a way to build their history and try and fluff their numbers for future business.

Not trying to troll or pick a fight here but you've raised an interesting point in the bolded part.

I would ask what was the incentive to start with? I hazard a guess that for most high sec wardeccers its just easy kills. Not all of course, but most.
Those with balls will still dec a target if the reason to attack that target goes beyond easy fights because there is a reason to. If they know allies will engage in return then best they have friends of their own to counter dec the target corp.

completely agree.. it would have been much better if they didn't change anything and just fixed decshielding

I would like to hear from people that have deced smaller ~100 man corps, I assume they are spamming allies as well?

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