Warfare & Tactics

Isnt this like early days all over again?

1: Odamia captured? Yes
2: Ladistier captured? Yes
3: Damar Rocarion in FW? Yes
4: Bad Messenger in FW? Yes
5: Damar/Bad Messenger in same corp? Yes

Thanks XG, here is one thing I do want to mention. I do not think it is wrong for their to be time in a pilots game schedule for pure isk making abilities.

One of the things I love most about the patch is I can go get in my inty and run plexes, successfully. I do not target backwater systems but I target lvl 5 systems or systems we are working on. The new mechanics were designed exactly for this purpose, to allow me to particpate in the war front without having to mission.

There is no difference in speed tanking a plex then it is speed tanking a mission.

People that claim it is "afk plexing for caldari" are severly mistaken. That rifter fit you are talking about has a shield booster on it. I wonder why?

Heres the other thing. You always have the ability to kick us out. If you see me in my inty , I cant fight you nor will I . I will simply bail.

Now I am all for a "reverse timer" mechanism but killing rats to cap a plex. That is absurb, we mine as well make it so you have to kill all the rats in a mission.

Remember the #1 rule when isk making, never pvp in your isk ship (cloaky ishtar anyone?) Yes the gallente do it also. I think this is more of a stink because the caldari are organizing their efforts. Our "afk army plexers" are not helping us take the systems we have. We are. We concentrate on it, and concentrate our "afk plexing" on systems that hurt the gallente.

To say I must pvp at all times or go do some dumb mission / rat to make money is absurb. I should be able to make isk and help the war effort. Hence why I was such a huge proponent of the patch.

You might be.

Really? That MERLIN had nothing except speed mods. I wonder why? The rest of your argument defending guys like Nave is rubbish, tbh.

I am not defending that merlin fit or the pilot flying it. However I do not belive plex farmers contribute to the system take over to a degree in which you do so. I say this because the meaningful systems have had to be plexed while pvp is going on. The backwater systems such as Almeal are beign pelxed by farmers, however when the system becomes close you should be showing up to defend it in which plex farmers will not be able to fight you.

The problem stems from gallente not showing up there. Its very simple we watch the % of contestation, when it gets to a certain point we have people out there pushing people away. Just like in Lad. We couldnt "afk plex" the system, it was fought for. Sure we were able to farm a couple of the plexes but not to any effect in which you mention

Bottom line is afk plexing will always occur but it will not impact station lockout unless YOU the pilots allow it.

Remember eve is a sandbox you shape it. If you dont show, Ill shape it the way I want it.

Correct however I do not call plexing PVE. It is pvp I have the choice to pvp or run though. Just like any fight.

However just so you know, we defensive plex as well for no reward. I have done it several nights because its part of the mechanics

You may call it pvp, but when you enter with the express purpose of not engaging in combat in any shape or form I do not agree with you. And hence I support mechanics to discourage the non-combat plexing you are supporting.

And here is why for the last 2 years I have consistently said CCP should remove Faction NPCs from eve.
It's one of those 'I told you so' moments.

Removing the faction NPC's solves everything.

No more not being able to re-ship in High Sec.
Wtf is the point of Faction Police and Navy's in high sec??????? They protect no one and nothing.

The NPC's only force the attacker to bail when defense turns up.

Example:
I was plexing in oicx the other night.

A thrasher turns up to pew my corps 2 Merlins - cool - NPC's and Thrasher vs 2 Merlins.
Seemed worth a shot and I was happy to engage.

So the Frog Thrasher naturally warps out as he is only in a bigger ship with 3x my firepower and only had 5-10 npc's helping him.
He then comes back with his mate in another Destroyer - I had to bail. Not because of the Destroyers - but because NPC's putting out DPS ensured that balanced PvP is not possible in the plex. This in turn defeats the entire purpose of putting restricted gates on plexes.

Also - If someone afk plexes with no guns fitted - shoot them. AFK plexing is a non issue to divert discussion away from the fact Caldari are going to dominate due to Gallente still being stuck with blob mentalities.

so that non militia rat got my plex runner at 4am est. that i was flying because i couldnt get any fights in rakapas with my hookbill... and the 150k lp gathered before it died went to upgrade okkamon. as i said i have adapted to FW and it seems you gal's havent and continue to *****. im sorry that you folks are incapable of fielding anyone during my major playing hours so im forced to do this for LP to uprade our systems or spend hours and hours hunting for a fight that will never happen except if i run into you fully linked blob.


oh and X Gal fondl has run into Qcats multiple times with us winning some and you winning some. actually we were behind that cap ambush that took out those pizza caps.

I'm not sure what the first paragraph is referring to :/

And it changes all the time. While in nullsec I've never soley played EVE as a video game; you're right, it is somewhat infrequent. I hop on battlefield3 and if a jabber ping goes out, see whats up. The level of communication and organization within our alliance and with other allied alliances lets us play like that. We're attempting to bring the same level of meta-game communication to not only our FW alliance, but also our entire militia. It will double the effectiveness of the militia when the plan gets up to 100%. And, as for action, recently we've been getting hours long brawls in Delve with the entire southern bloc, several times a day. And it's been amazing and epic.

As for affordability, we will always have free thrashers/rifters/griffins. If I have to fund it personally, I will; but I doubt it will ever come to that. We are also looking to subsidize cruisers for people to have more access to them. But, as you said, if your faction is getting massacred you can't make much money. Ideally the market will equalize. It ultimately comes down to CCP coming up with a balance between penalties to encourage the taking of more systems, while simultaneously giving enough benefits that someone can reasonably afford to fly the battlecruiser they always wanted.