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First Impression of Faction Warfare -- post inferno patch

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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#361 - 2012-06-06 00:04:58 UTC
Nave Drallig wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Nave Drallig wrote:
i just love how these pvp corps that were so busy talking about "carebear tears" are busy getting beaten BY carebears and now supplying the tears... its really kinda ironic.


Well if hte occupancy war is entirely driven by PvE, why would it be so surprising that bears are winning?

Also, the gangs that have been around all week seem to be drying up after getting smashed a few times and were left with lower levels of pvp than last week and a ****** occupancy system that at the moment means both gallente and caldari factions are earning **** squat for the lp but pvp still costs the same.

This is a joke.



i will admit i am new account less then 2 months old but ive discovered you have to do a bit of both. when my corp runs fleet's i PvP, when i see a gall in local in our systems i run solo pvp defense (usually they run). and when neither of these are an option i go plex. just sounds to me like you guys are too busy going "well i WANT to do this and nothing else". and thats why your losing.


Yes, i want to play a game and do something fun, i would like for other peoples afk activities to not impact on me. Thats how it was before, not sure why that had to change.

If it was their PvP that was impacting on me then i could live with that.
Nave Drallig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#362 - 2012-06-06 00:08:52 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Nave Drallig wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Nave Drallig wrote:
i just love how these pvp corps that were so busy talking about "carebear tears" are busy getting beaten BY carebears and now supplying the tears... its really kinda ironic.


Well if hte occupancy war is entirely driven by PvE, why would it be so surprising that bears are winning?

Also, the gangs that have been around all week seem to be drying up after getting smashed a few times and were left with lower levels of pvp than last week and a ****** occupancy system that at the moment means both gallente and caldari factions are earning **** squat for the lp but pvp still costs the same.

This is a joke.



i will admit i am new account less then 2 months old but ive discovered you have to do a bit of both. when my corp runs fleet's i PvP, when i see a gall in local in our systems i run solo pvp defense (usually they run). and when neither of these are an option i go plex. just sounds to me like you guys are too busy going "well i WANT to do this and nothing else". and thats why your losing.


Yes, i want to play a game and do something fun, i would like for other peoples afk activities to not impact on me. Thats how it was before, not sure why that had to change.

If it was their PvP that was impacting on me then i could live with that.


if they are afk... how can you not kill them....
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#363 - 2012-06-06 00:27:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Nave Drallig wrote:


if they are afk... how can you not kill them....


Afk is more of a derogatory term that implies that the activity is boring and might as well be done afk.
Nave Drallig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#364 - 2012-06-06 00:32:35 UTC
Honestly these threads remind me of a carebear thread about getting attacked by a war target or something just reversed, and i will say samething you all say to them HTFU. i think you guys just need to harness your carebears the way cal does and use them or GTFO.javascript:if%20(typeof%20posting=='undefined'||posting!=true)%20{posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');}
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#365 - 2012-06-06 00:35:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Nave Drallig wrote:
Honestly these threads remind me of a carebear thread about getting attacked by a war target or something just reversed, and i will say samething you all say to them HTFU. i think you guys just need to harness your carebears the way cal does and use them or GTFO.javascript:if%20(typeof%20posting=='undefined'||posting!=true)%20{posting=true;__doPostBack('forum$ctl00$PostReply','');}


confirming that faction war works best when the driver of occupancy war is pve. Well it has always been just now pve is more damaging to any faction than any pvp ever could be. Personally have have all the isk i will need for the next 5 years but the point is that newer players on the losing side wont be able to buy the ships that their skills are unlocking.

Unless we as militias go do mass pve. Doesnt sound right to me.

HTFU alongside go PvE more is an alarming precedent and imo spells the end of FW, at least for me.
Nave Drallig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#366 - 2012-06-06 00:39:35 UTC
all you need to do is exact samething amarr is currently doing. break down the blob, and go small gang hunting plexers. and if with all your SP and game experience you cant catch some lowly new chars. well thats your issue not mine friend.
Wenron
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#367 - 2012-06-06 00:42:27 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Wenron wrote:
Who says FW needs to generate oodles of money for either side. There is a lot that can be accomplished with a little organization and ships under 5 mil, fit and all.

I'll just leave these here:

[url]http://rifterlings.com/kb/index.php/kill_related/1154/[/url]

[url]http://rifterlings.com/kb/index.php/kill_related/1149/[/url]


True for the tengu we had to batphone in larger ships to break the tank, but it was a t1 cheap-fit frig gang that locked him down. Despite the obvious mechanics bugs, we're still mixing it up and more active across the board.



Just because you role play and avoid larger fights doesnt mean that should be everyones goal. Its pretty ignorant for you to suggest it really, its like telling people to play an fps game only using the jump key.

This game has many ships and roles, why are so many people obsessed with only flying 1 or 2?


I'm suggesting playing in a way that you can sustain until you figure out how to change your circumstances. Or continue doing something you can't support and be miserable. Let me know how it works out for you.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#368 - 2012-06-06 00:45:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Nave Drallig wrote:
all you need to do is exact samething amarr is currently doing. break down the blob, and go small gang hunting plexers. and if with all your SP and game experience you cant catch some lowly new chars. well thats your issue not mine friend.


TBH, i dont play eve to catch half fitted tank ships.

Heres some of last years highlights;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79Xj_SqQo0Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzUmzClmVns
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjFNMliB584 Pt1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTXyszYVAJM Pt2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bTBL-XpsTo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1au-cJP2ktg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwTO5KT61G0

Dont really see much of this happening. Perhaps its because you are new to fw, but you seem to think the holy grail is killing some half fitted tank ship who was watching porn at the wrong time lol.

Wenron wrote:

I'm suggesting playing in a way that you can sustain until you figure out how to change your circumstances. Or continue doing something you can't support and be miserable. Let me know how it works out for you.


Playing eve is not compulsory lol
Nave Drallig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#369 - 2012-06-06 01:15:05 UTC
no i think the holy grail is winning, i am here to win. so if that involves plexing, i plex, if that involves chasing a half fitted tank i chase a half fitted tank. either evolve and adapt, stay static and lose, or leave.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#370 - 2012-06-06 01:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Crosi Wesdo
Nave Drallig wrote:
no i think the holy grail is winning, i am here to win. so if that involves plexing, i plex, if that involves chasing a half fitted tank i chase a half fitted tank. either evolve and adapt, stay static and lose, or leave.


As ive already said, Null sec is where you go if you want to win. Faction war is for people who arnt assholes who just want to undock and get some fun pvp. This distinction is very important. Sorry it is lost on you. But then i shouldnt expect anything else from a NC. alt corp.

Having the ability to cripple you enemy logistically and financially is a detriment to ongoing faction war pvp in low sec. Are the lessons of null sec nips and naps lost on you? Theres a reason we call it dull sec.
Garr Earthbender
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#371 - 2012-06-06 01:49:53 UTC
I wanna frikkin win.

-Scissors is overpowered, rock is fine. -Paper
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#372 - 2012-06-06 02:45:11 UTC
Garr Earthbender wrote:
I wanna frikkin win.


Well thats easy, you just leave gallente and join minmatar. Job done. OH WAIT.... lame.
Fritz Bratwurst
Family Guy.
Deepwater Hooligans
#373 - 2012-06-06 09:24:07 UTC
Alright so after half a year of inactivity I decided to start playing EVE again. I used to run FW missions (L4) in my sbomber with torps. Has anything changed positively/negatively?

I heard the no-docking in enemy territory helps. Anything else that makes FW Missions easier/harder to run?
Rel'k Bloodlor
Federation Front Line Report
Federation Front Line
#374 - 2012-06-06 09:54:56 UTC
Nave Drallig wrote:
no i think the holy grail is winning, i am here to win. so if that involves plexing, i plex, if that involves chasing a half fitted tank i chase a half fitted tank. either evolve and adapt, stay static and lose, or leave.



Silly caldari you can't win or you would have like 2 years ago...............One you guys first surged, Live it up tho wont be all that long before the ego's and drama and butthurt turn the wheel for caldari militia like it alwas dose.

I wanted to paint my space ship red, but I couldn't find enough goats. 
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#375 - 2012-06-06 11:03:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Joanna Ramirez
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Faction war is for people who arnt assholes who just want to undock and get some fun pvp. This distinction is very important.


AhahhaAHHAAHHAHAAAAAA!!! ahem, sorry, but that was just the most hilarious thing I have ever seen written.

And as for dull-sec argument, isn't FW already full of it? I mean, you are blue with most pirate corporations operating in our area anyway for those opportunities you need even more to hotdrop on Caldari and you are also blue with main corporation of an enemy militia who has bluntly said they will stop at nothing to cripple our game if we threathen their space-bros in our designated enemy militia.
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#376 - 2012-06-06 11:19:33 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Faction war is for people who arnt assholes who just want to undock and get some fun pvp. This distinction is very important.


AhahhaAHHAAHHAHAAAAAA!!! ahem, sorry, but that was just the most hilarious thing I have ever seen written.

And as for dull-sec argument, isn't FW already full of it? I mean, you are blue with most pirate corporations operating in our area anyway for those opportunities you need even more to hotdrop on Caldari and you are also blue with main corporation of an enemy militia who has bluntly said they will stop at nothing to cripple our game if we threathen their space-bros in our designated enemy militia.


Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but time and again damar proves there is no shame in having his own facts. Well no shame he feels anyway.

Dont you have a minor to jump inside of damar?
Har Harrison
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#377 - 2012-06-06 11:34:15 UTC
Fritz Bratwurst wrote:
Alright so after half a year of inactivity I decided to start playing EVE again. I used to run FW missions (L4) in my sbomber with torps. Has anything changed positively/negatively?

I heard the no-docking in enemy territory helps. Anything else that makes FW Missions easier/harder to run?

You can't pull missions if you don't own the system (see your post for reason why)...

LP for kills and being on button when plex capped...
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#378 - 2012-06-06 16:17:54 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
Faction war is for people who arnt assholes who just want to undock and get some fun pvp. This distinction is very important.


AhahhaAHHAAHHAHAAAAAA!!! ahem, sorry, but that was just the most hilarious thing I have ever seen written.

And as for dull-sec argument, isn't FW already full of it? I mean, you are blue with most pirate corporations operating in our area anyway for those opportunities you need even more to hotdrop on Caldari and you are also blue with main corporation of an enemy militia who has bluntly said they will stop at nothing to cripple our game if we threathen their space-bros in our designated enemy militia.
Crosi isn't in SoTF. Big smile
Sokor Loro
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#379 - 2012-06-06 17:50:21 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
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As ive already said, Null sec is where you go if you want to win. Faction war is for people who arnt assholes who just want to undock and get some fun pvp. This distinction is very important. Sorry it is lost on you. But then i shouldnt expect anything else from a NC. alt corp.


Actually laughed out loud reading this.

I consistently find it amusing just how delusional people are about their home environment. Whether it's where you live, the sport you play, if you play battlefield or COD, or even what faction you're on; people always have this ridiculous idea that they are the virtuous and good, and the other guy is the bad guy.

Your distinction isn't a distinction at all. There are tons of assholes in FW, there are tons in nullsec. There are tons of people who just want to undock and get some fun pvp in nullsec, there are tons in FW.

And then, to top off your idiocy, you just throw out an insult for good measure. NICE
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#380 - 2012-06-06 20:46:51 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
Nave Drallig wrote:
no i think the holy grail is winning, i am here to win. so if that involves plexing, i plex, if that involves chasing a half fitted tank i chase a half fitted tank. either evolve and adapt, stay static and lose, or leave.
This is why Eve is so great. Entire alliances can be based on orbiting buttons and bailing at the first sign of conflict and still win.

Pvp ships used by Happy Endings pilots in the Occupancy Wars: Nave Drallig

Mutnin and Bolsterbomb I really do respect because they on engage in fights and are looking for kills. Damar and Bad Messenger (from the old days) - much respect. At least when their plexing alts bailed they would bring out a pvp force that would kick our ass.

These guys from Happy Endings alliance bail at the first sign of trouble. Jump into system. Plex up. See "Happy Endings" on scan.. warp to plex and sure enough, they are bailing to station or safe. Like clockwork. All the venom spewed in these threads are directed at you guys, not Bolster and Mutnin.

@CCP Yttr - This is why you need to enforce a "Kill all NPCs" requirement on plexing - so guys like Nave Drallig can't warp around and win the Occupancy War with complete s*** f** ships. Screw the ecm "balancing", screw the "missile spam". Force "winners" like Nave Drallig to to at least put some blasters on their "plexing optimized" Merlins.