Warfare & Tactics

Strange I have always found killing 5 t1 dessies in a t1 dessie to be far more satisfying then omgwtfjesusblobbing a cynabal or even a carrier. I guess Im just weird

What'd I ever do to you? :(

Your lies reflect poorly upon the Empress and the glorious Empire that was founded in the time before time.

You have no basis to make that claim. There were lots of changes made that make faction war better with this expansion. To claim all the great fights are because of station lock outs is illogicial.

In fact there is good reason to think, and I do think, station lock outs have decreased the pvp we could have had if they just did the stuff we wanted like economic incentives, lp for plexing and lp for pvp. I think there would be allot more pvp if they just dropped the station lock out.

CCP said they were going to evaluate the station lock out. I have asked hans what criteria they are going to use to evaluate whether the station lock out is good or bad. I don't really see how they can do that effectively.

If they are just going to say well pvp increased after we made 15 changes therefore every single change must have been good and none of them could be bad, that is pretty stupid. Yet that is the logic of many of the posts here.


We have good reason to think raa fell without a fight due to station lockouts.

We also have good reason to think kamela had an increase in fighting due to station lockouts. However, this fighting was also caused by several other factors like the flip times drastically changing combined with the increased economic consequences! I think there could have been just as much fighting but it would have been more spread out over more systems had they not implemented the lockout.

I know I wasn't able to do to really participate that night because I had allot of ships and drug boosters that I needed to move. If I didn't have to spend that time moving them I would have been fighting somewhere to try to take systems. How many others had to do the same? There is no way to sort out these confounding variables regarding the fighting that happened the last few days before the patch.

I don't think I was alone as far as people who had to use those last few days before the flip times changed to move items instead of fighting.

I anticipate lamaa will have allot of fighting. But there is no reason to think that all the fighting that is going to happen there is due to station lock outs as opposed to the enormous economic incentives, and other good changes that ccp made. As for my ability to fight in lama I know I am hamstung since I had to move all the ships I used to have in huola and arzad out. The station lockouts only decrease my ability to participate in these fights.

Again how is ccp going to seperate out the increased pvp that are due to the good changes and determine if the specific station lock out change was good or bad? I asked Hans to ask this in the csm summit. I hope he will because then we can see if this station lockout idea is being evaluated in any sort of rational way.

Ignorance is bliss. Raa has no stations, and there's a high sec station next door to Raa that could have been used.

Bottom line: Amarr don't have the personnel right now to spend defending a non-contiguous system (not in the Kamela/Sahtogas pipe) like Raa.

Raa fell because Minnies timed it right (later USTZ) in which they have a significant advantage with Late Night Alliance. As teamwork improves between the Amarr militia I think you will see them able to hold strategic systems while taking some systems during EUTZ. At this time we simply do not have the pilots in late USTZ to match Late Night.

My one concern with the FW changes continues to be the LP multiplier for the losing side. I understand the benefits to the victor, but punishing the loser with a 4x multiplier is crippling. Right now it makes more sense for Amarr FW pilots to create Minnie FW alts (with new, improved 0.0 standings) to grind their missions for much higher isk/lp rewards.

you're still complaining! Good grief man its done deal with it.

There is an Amarr system next door to Raa with a station. Thanks for proving my point.

I was in a fleet with almity that night. But anyway a system does not flip in one night!

What system are you refering to? Perhaps you should read the part of my post you cut out.