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No Surrender, No Retreat - The final week in old FW

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Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-05-25 00:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeerover
The Inferno patch brought several changes to how faction war works, and as a consequence there was a mad rush to have the best possible starting position in the faction warfare systems on the day the patch went live on the 22th of May. The initial brazen view was we would roll back the plexing effort of the Rush Horde, then it turned to the majority of the Imperial faction believed all would be lost, but a hard fought defense left us with 11 systems against the Matari's 59. The following is from my own viewpoint as FC for most of the Amarr fleets that week, since there was so much fighting it is a long read, but hopefully you'll enjoy it. It does not include tactical considerations of all the fights and furthermore may not be a neutral point of view :)

It was a mad week of fighting, Wolfsbrigade having already past our most active month by far in kills, with Kourmonen & Kamela being the most dangerous system across all of New Eden. The overall strategic aim of the effort changed over the week of fighting, from thinking we could roll back the Matari to Dal and beyond, later we focused upon holding the core pipe from Sahtogas to Kamela, with branching systems. Until the final days we still believed we had a shot at taking either Kourmonen, Lamaa or Oyonata/Sosan back, but in the end we were relieved to hold the central pipe.


Signs and Portents

The Amarr militia does not operate as a cohesive unit, one can think of us as feudal barons holding control of a few main systems. Wolfsbrigade in Kamela, The Imperial Fedaykin in Auga, Dewa Brotherhood and Ammarian Retribution in Sahtogas to name a few. We help each other out when we can, but often different objectives and focus leads us to not work as a group. Within Wolfsbrigade the plan was to mostly ignore the Rust Horde's plexing fleets until the final weekend before the patch, but fighting on the evenings of the 14th & 15th proved to me that we could not break the Matari fleets as easily as we believed. On the 14th the fighting was over Kourmonen, we fought on roughly equal terms, won most of the initial fighting and made good progress in flipping the system, yet we could not break the will of the Minmatars and they held the system over night.

The 15th saw even more fighting, pilots on both sides had been rejuvenated by the previous days clashes, yet the result stayed the same. We won the early fighting, made good progress while outnumbered, but the during the night the Rust Horde held strong, and the system was still theirs when dawn broke. Several neutral entities started to appear in Kourmonen as a result of the fighting, wanting a piece of the action, but their lack of education in plex mechanics made them easy targets for us.

The signs and portents from these two days of fighting increased the pessimist view within the Imperial faction, and several corporations began to effectuate their evacuation to Egghelende, a system that is right in the middle of the Amarr Minmatar zone, but under Gallente control, and thus not affected by the changes coming in Inferno. We were in dire need of numbers, but they were busy planning the relocation of their assets. It would prove to have major consequences for the following days of the war effort.

On the 16th we had fewer numbers then the two previous days, and we fared worse, again Kourmonen was the central source of action, but with their numerical superiority the Rust Horde began to take other systems. Lamaa, Sosan and Labapi had fallen in these days of fighting, and Oyonata began to show signs of going the same way.

My view was that aggressive plexing in Kourmonen would keep Kamela safe while we were dangerously under staffed, and luckily the Rush Horde did not focus on Kamela, which would have gone the same way as the other systems, if they had done so at this early stage...


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Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#2 - 2012-05-25 00:13:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeerover
Interludes and Examinations

The following day I had a discussing with First General about the dire need of reinforcements, we where not making the progress we had expected, though internally within Wolfsbrigade morale was high, considering the shear amount of kills, the Imperial faction as a whole was starting to lose hope. No matter how often I told them that the central pipe from Sahtogas to Kamela would hold, more and more corporations were begining to spend more time evacuating assets. Wolfsbrigade have several friends within the pvp community in EVE, and First General was already in the process of making arrangements for Tri-Gun to come join us on the weekend, but I feared that Tri-Gun and their alliance Psycotic Tendencies would not be enough on it's own, and he continued the outreach to other entities. I had at this point been FC'ing 12 hours straight for 3 days running, and wanted a break from it all. I was starting to make tactical mistakes, and my regular fleet members where starting to lose their way, which can be seen when examining the spread fire during the engagements on the 16th. I was assured that help would be coming on the weekend, and we set about forming the fleet for the evenings action.

First General took charge, and although we agree on many things, our fleets are subtly different. Unlike the previous days, where we reshipped according to which plex we fought, he had ordered the majority of the fleet to be in major plex configuration, with 4 Guardians to back it up. He sent the fleet to Sahtogas, to help out Amarrian Retribution, which had valiantly tried to counter-plex against the Rust Horde on the back-pipe around Sosan. We had an initial scrap against CTRL-Q and their Iron Oxide. alliance mates, which went well for us, our battlecruiser/guardian fleet defeating their a-hac/guardian fleet. As they went to reship Spiritus Draconis was reported inbound with a T3 fleet.


And the Rock Cried Out, No Hiding Place

With our fleet inside Sahtogas station, I had taken over control of the fleet. The sp-dr fleet entered system and briefly left and scouts reported that they moved into Haras, where they sat on the Sahtogas gate, most likely to waiting for Iron Oxide. to reship and come back. They had 14 T3 + 8 Guardians, but our own fleet had grown quite considerably, and I felt we had a chance to destroy their expensive toys. Then scouts reported Shadow Cartel in a Sleipnir/Scimitar fleet a few jumps out, and I made a snap decision to convo W0wbagger and plot the demise of the strategic cruiser fleet.

The enemy fleet FC had made a fatal strategic mistake, Haras is a dead-end system without stations, so they were essentially trapped, with no hiding place. I ordered our fleet onto the Haras gate to cut them off, while at the same time talking to Shadow Cartel about the possibility of annihilate the sp-dr fleet. They saw what was coming only too late, with Shadow Cartel one jump out, sp-dr jumped into our fleet and we proceeded to annihilate them together. It was a great victory considering nothing like this was planned in advance, or as W0wbagger put it:

"[ 2012.05.17 20:43:23 ] W0wbagger > that was random"

This was not about good fights, equal numbers and grid tactics. They had doomed their own fleet by strategic miscalculation and we engaged in a moment of sheer blood lust and destruction. The aftermath provided the Imperial faction with a major morale boost, though the late night fighting was still in the favor of the Matari.


The Hour of the Wolf

On the 18th we went on a null-sec field trip with SOTF, it was of limited success, and when we came back to the faction warfare zone more systems had fallen. If it wasn't clear to me before I was certainly now. If we didn't fight hard for Kourmonen, the Rust Horde would see our weakness and Kamela would be taken before reinforcements could arrive on the scene. The early fighting on the 19th went our way, even with a huge Matari numerical advantage. We got nearly 200 kills in the fleet, it was hilarious and spirits within Wolfsbrigade where high. Even if we did the most of the heavy lifting we had no problem with that, and our leading by example had picked up more members from within our faction. We smiled as we saw repeated minmatar carriers jump in more ships for them, the tide in this war of attrition was turning our way. Kourmonen was still firmly in the grasp of the Matari, but Kamela was safe. The hours of FC'ing flew by and I was really looking forward to Sunday, when reinforcements would be available to us. We had held Kamela and now with reinforcements we could wrest control of some systems with a good showing....


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Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-05-25 00:17:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeerover
Into the Fire

Sunday came, I was away from the computer during the afternoon and and First General had taken over the reigns of FC'ing the fleet. The Rust Horde had managed to take Kurniainen during the very early hours, and had finally started their Kamela offensive, but it was two days too late, as we now we had Tri-Gun and -A- on our side for the fight. First General is an excellent FC, who unlike me had not been at the helm for dozens of hours in the past week. Therefore the mistakes that were starting to creep into my fleet calling was minimized greatly and a large portion of the enemy fleet met their end in Kamela. We moved the fighting over to Kourmonen, First General wanted to push the advantage and had some great fights, but we did not manage to take the system, as the Late Night crew swung the numerical advantage strongly in their favor. Kudos to the Matari effort in stopping us from achieving that on the day we held the biggest advantage. As the fighting for Kamela was decided so decisively in our favor, more and more members of the Imperial Faction started to live with us in system, as a fleet member said "When the fields are on fire, everyone runs to the Castle". We had high spirits for the following day of action, though there would be great doubt once the final day came.


Conflicts of Interest

Downtime came and went, and the last day was upon us. Both sides aimed for the best possible outcome and the Matari plexed a lot of systems quite hard. Saikamon, Sahtogas, Anka, Uusanen and Kamela were all in danger of falling, and we had to call in our final favor, our Gallente faction brothers - Shadows of the Federation. Once they came down to Kamela, in their Guardians to provide logi support, the tide turned strongly in our favor and soon Kamela was completely decontested, panic and emo-rage began to fester among the Minmatar. How could they betray them was shouted back and forth. The Rust Horde's offensive in Kamela came to a grinding hault, as diplomats and CEOs tried to work out a deal. In the end it was presented to me as "You stop offensive plexing in Kourmonen, we stop offensive plexing in Kamela", though they believed Wolfsbrigade had agreed to stop all offensive plexing everywhere - something that would always be completely unacceptable to us. The deal was made and First General told us to go and stop the Matari advance in Sahtogas, 30 minutes later the cease fire had broken down, Matari pilots plexing in Kamela and soon thereafter we were all back at it.

First General led the fleet to the Sahtogas area, we were set up in a T3+Guardian fleet, with interceptors to take out any enemy fleet on the gates of the minor and medium plexes, while holding the field on the majors. It was going well, with initial victories in Tannakan, Sahtogas & Saikamon but the Long Night was ahead of us...


Midnight on the Firing Line

During the whole week the Rust Horde had always had a strong Late Night advantage, and with 11 hours to go until the Inferno went live they could possibly take Kamela from us. I loaded up on supplies and got ready to FC for the next 11 hours straight. I dispatched a small fleet to keep counter plexing in the Sahtogas area, I didn't want to lose a single pipe system during the night. The fighting was concentrated on Kamela with me FC'ing, while Capitol One was leading the small plexing contingent in the Sahtogas area. We started out well, with support from most corporations within the Imperial faction, as well as Tri-Gun, CVA and The Fourth District, but soon came under heavier and heavier attack, and after the CVA fleet left us we had a 5 hour stretch where we lost every plex available to us. Our once great logi fleet was outnumbered 2½ to 1, with them fielding 10 guardians at one point, just sitting alone in a major plex while their 60 man strong Rupture/SFI fleet took the medium. We had no means of taking on either fleet, and so my tactic became one of denying them every minute possible, by rushing timers and warping off to other plexes as they came on grid and pushing timers there for as long as possible. This game of cat and mouse was seriously damaging moral within our fleet. Several people began to doubt if we could hold onto Kamela, and I took the fight to them at certain times to increase morale within our ranks. In the middle of this Capitol One reported back to me that they had succeeded in decontesting every other system, and with moral victory we combined the fleet, for the long night of defending Kamela. During this time we had to send in more supplies as our stocks of ships were running dangerously low. One militia member didn't fully understand how to get his freighter out of Kamela again, and warped to an insta undock instead of utilizing the safety of Kamela stations 40km dock ring, which was tragic for him.

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Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2012-05-25 00:18:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zeerover
No Surrender, No Retreat

As the night progressed we watched the star map offensive occupancy blob with angst, it was growing dangerously big and something had to be done. Drawing out minutes of plexing might not be enough for us, and in the early morning around 6am system time, the young spirited Capitol One convo'ed me and suggested taking over the fleet. I was starting to become incoherent and sloppy after hours upon hours of fighting. I graciously accepted the change of command and took the backseat. Almost instantly the fleet was transformed, his extreme positive energy stopping people from logging off and curious newcomers where there to stay, if for nothing else to hear his hilariously funny diatribe of positive toughs. We won the next plex and within 30 minutes our fleet had grown from a measly 25 to over 50 active pilots, as we won the following two plexes the Rust Horde retreated in the dawning day. They realized that it was mathematically impossible to win Kamela. I kept plexing Kamela while he took the fighting to the Matari in Kourmonen & Lamaa. My greatest moment of satisfaction came 7 minutes before downtime when I fully decontested our beloved home system. It had taken 8 straight defensive captures to fully decontest the system. Night had come and gone and we had lost nothing, the Imperial forces had held strong.


Endgame

As the patch came and went we logged on to a new world in Faction warfare. We held only 11 systems to the Matari 59. Our faction is the smallest of all 4 in members, but we have the most kills and during a whole week of fighting we held strong against a numerically greater force - FW stats from the 22nd of may.


To top it all off Wolfsbrigade even had to endure our very first corporation theft in our darkest hours of the final day, when a recent new addition, Beld Ermon, decided to steal our plexing ships stored in a Kourmonen ship maintenance array. It is my responsibility as the director for security, but I had been otherwise occupied. Sadly, despite us warning members not to leave expensive ships within the array, several people had used it to store t2 and faction ships that they had in Kourmonen, in all a few billion was what it took for him to betray us on our darkest hour. He is of course set KOS for life and any corporation that grants him haven will have our wrath...

But despite this incident, and the great pressure we are constantly under, we have formed a new coherent vision of cooperation within the Imperial faction and I see dark days ahead for the Rust Horde.

Shoutouts are to many to give after a campaign like this, Amarr 7th Fleet owns this victory as much as we do, without their constant plexing our fighting wouldn't have mattered much. Shirak SkunkWorks and Seraphim Rising have fought extremely well considering their few numbers and certain members of I.LAW, TMFED, 0000 and other FW corps gave it their all in support of us. Of course without the helping hand from Psycotic Tendencies and our space-bros Drunk 'n' Disorderly the story would have ended differently.

For those interested, here is a video BeastlyRage has made compiling some of the action.

tl;dr: With tenacity and fighting spirit we had a lot of fun and got over a 1000 kills in one week, while defending our home.

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Capitol One
Blue Canary
Watch This
#5 - 2012-05-25 00:47:43 UTC
Amarr Victooooooor!
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#6 - 2012-05-25 00:49:40 UTC
post has ben up fr nearly 30 whole minutes and no trolling yet?

I'm disappointed :)

I guess I'll begin ...


WBR suck, and, umm, etc.
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#7 - 2012-05-25 00:49:51 UTC
1 - You owe me 60 hours of my life back.

and

2 - There's another reason we ran to Kourm in gangs on ECM Thrasher and Giffins. They are stupid cheap and Boris The ******* Butcher. He used one on Zeerover and I, it pissed us off somewhat to the point we each had a dozen in our hangers within 1 hour. Within 24 so did everyone else.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.

Duke Dantez
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-25 01:08:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Duke Dantez
Awesome read. Although I was fighting like hell to destroy you guys, I can’t help but feel like we all shared in a great week of bloodshed.

I have always cheered for the underdog when watching sports and I can imagine the feeling you guys had when you were able to stop us from taking Kamala. Moments like that are what make EVE such an awesome game.

I am sorry to hear about the corp theft. He won’t find refuge with us!
Hyperion Ward
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-25 01:20:11 UTC
Good read, glad we were able to help out.
+100000 for B5 references.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#10 - 2012-05-25 02:02:11 UTC
Why would there be trolling? It was an excellent write up from the Amarr POV. I agree with pretty much all of it. Regardless of some of the chestbeating that has been going back and forth, I think all parties can agree that this was probably one of the greatest weeks in the Amarr/Min Faction Warfare in several years. The fighting was intense, the hours were long, but everyone came out of it pretty positive. I'm extremely happy that the Amarr didn't failscade and simply decide to evac from the warzone. I had been adamant on the forums and in-game that the Amarr would be able to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and I feel justified to see that was the case. Kudos to W-BR, 7th Fleet, I.LAW and friends. I think the SOTF thing was pretty **** (on their part) but I'd do the same if I was in your situation. See you on the frontlines; the fight has only really just begun. (:

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#11 - 2012-05-25 06:34:30 UTC  |  Edited by: FIRST GENERAL
Such a great read Zeerover :)

Also so much respect for the endless FC'ing you put in - without you i don't think the line would have been held.

+1 to SoTF : best brosefs
+1 to Star and his troops: new brosefs
+1 to Ladel and his troops: for coming in a time of dire need
+1 to the rest of Amarr Militia.

Edit almost forgot: + 1 to Junior and his troops Blink
Zeerover
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2012-05-25 06:45:07 UTC
Thank you for all the likes and comments. It was a long week and deserved a long write-up, which might not have been to everyone's taste in these ADHD times...

@Duke Dantez & Vordak Kallager: I would love to see a write-up from the Minmatar POV here, by someone who isn't Susan Black or other propaganda ministers. I think past the thrash-talkers on each side, there is a core bunch of people who respect the enemy, though they still want to beat them to a bloody pulp! I tried to write this as the feeling was in fleet for each day, simply because a lot of the actual engagements where forgotten in the massive onslaught. It might not come across strongly enough, but our initial plan was thoroughly put to shame by the Rust Horde, you fought well and hard, and there were days when plenty of "bigwigs" within the Amarr militia where filling TS with "The end is nigh!" and causing a general panic, and I'm very happy to put those doubters to shame, but the fact that they had this mindset is a testament to the Matari war effort.

@Hyperion Ward: I was wondering how long it would take for someone to notice, thinking a few days, but turns out not very long. I've always loved the episode titles and felt that some would be fitting headlines here.

@Sync: yeah yeah 60 hours of your life where you'd do what instead? Camp a station, invent t2 stuff or mine some Veldspar, while watching Kun thrashing your dreams in OT?;) Consider yourself blessed for getting 400 kills instead, at least you go something good out of the week :D

@Tekitha: Spreadsheets + Alcohol = Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!

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Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#13 - 2012-05-25 08:02:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Vordak Kallager
Zeerover wrote:
@Duke Dantez & Vordak Kallager: I would love to see a write-up from the Minmatar POV here.


Unfortunately, I wasn't around and FCing for anywhere close to every day. Maybe Annah Kitheran (our Matar plex-overlord and master of all things outpost) will grace the forums with his perspective: I'm not entirely sure he slept at all during the entire pre-Inferno week.

Edit: I'd also just like to point out that you ~almost~ lost Kamela and your other systems to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3QEW_a_sKU&feature=youtu.be hahaha :P

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

FIRST GENERAL
Hostile.
PURPLE HELMETED WARRIORS
#14 - 2012-05-25 08:19:30 UTC
Vordak Kallager wrote:


I'm not entirely sure he slept at all during the entire pre-Inferno week.



Its indeed nice to be able to afford to do that :work: and all Cool
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#15 - 2012-05-25 08:26:45 UTC
FIRST GENERAL wrote:
Vordak Kallager wrote:


I'm not entirely sure he slept at all during the entire pre-Inferno week.



Its indeed nice to be able to afford to do that :work: and all Cool


:college/university: or stuffs =/= :work:

plex > grades. everyone knows this.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.

Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#16 - 2012-05-25 09:27:50 UTC
Great report, thanks for posting!

Sounds like massive amounts of fun were had.

.

Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#17 - 2012-05-25 09:48:49 UTC
I have to say that was an enjoyable read. Would be interesting to see from a Minmatar perspective that isn't full of rage at SOTF.
Shallazar
Typo Inc.
#18 - 2012-05-25 09:58:54 UTC
Thanks for the excellent report. I only joined Amarrian Retribution in the week before the patch, and it wasn't long until I was joining ops with Wolfsbrigade to help in the defense of our systems.

In terms the the 3 evenings before patch, the fighting was intense, constant and great fun. I'd like to say thanks to First General, Zeerover and Capital One for looking after the fleets as best they could considering the numerical disadvantage we were typical dealing with. As Zeerover mentioned, 0500 eve-time on patch day there were a lot of tired people and Capital One's resolve that Amarr would be victorious and crush our enemies was indeed a great boost to the fleet.

There are a couple of things that are worthy of adding to the report.

1. When the main fleet headed back to Kamela on the eve of the patch to start defend the system, a small fleet remained in the Sahtogas/Oyonata area and they managed to push back the Minmatar advance successfully with small numbers. I can't remember who was involved in that, but their courage deserves mention and their achievement applauded.

2. A special thanks should also be given out to Crimper, who somehow seemed to magic replacement Destroyers, Cruisers, and Battlecruisers out of the ether, and get them fitted and battle ready at an astounding rate.

A great few day in FW, great spirit in all the Amarr Militia who did bother to stand up and fight for the cause.

Bengal Bob
Slymsloot Enterprises
#19 - 2012-05-25 10:25:07 UTC
Thanks to ALL the fc's and logistics helpers on both sides that made this one of the best weeks in FW for me.

A big congratulations to the Amarr for holding on to their systems, I really thought you guys would fold under the wrath of Annah.

For the first time in a while I am looking forward to the future in FW, I think the Amarr have turned an important corner and unless the Minmatar step up we are going to have problems keeping them contained Big smile

See you out in space for fun times!
Destru Kaneda
Arzad Police Department
#20 - 2012-05-25 10:29:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Destru Kaneda
Quality post, kudos.

Minmatar TLDR: We exploded a lot of ships and a lot of our ships exploded. Glorious battle! The only disappointing thing about those few days were that they came to an end. This needs to happen more often.
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