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Open letter to CCP and the community regarding HYDRA and OB ban from ATX

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carbomb
Super Team Munkey
#241 - 2012-05-26 15:14:46 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
carbomb wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
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None of those teams had a history of cheating using the exact same methods they were using again this year. Were we not to have to enforce these new rules a conversation with PL or RvB wouldn't have been necessary because those teams would have been in.

I hope this helps but it probably won't.




I'm Sorry, where did it say that what happend in AT9 was against the rules? No rules were broken! therefore they can not be regarded as "cheats" for it.

What would probably end all this posting is an admission from sreegs and co that basically this is them hitting back at last years finalists out of spite. You outmetagamed the metagamers and fair play ccp, you did it well. Just admit that this is payback and this matter will be closed. Its pretty pathetic how you are behaving. Most people can see that this was your attempt at revenge. You really are a bunch of kids at times. You made mistakes, you tried cover them up. admit your wrong doings and move along. By the way, If one of my employee's spoke to my customers the way you do to yours you would be out on your ear! Show some professionalism, man.

also love how you hung the Senior GM who responded to Hydra/0utbreak out to dry to cover you behinds. Smooth!


Read the stickies. You seem to have missed them


if they cheated in AT9 then you would have disqualified them both and certainly not awarded them their prizes. The reason you didn't, is because there were no rules about what they did. You can not brandish them as cheats when they did not break any rules.
Karbox Delacroix
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#242 - 2012-05-26 15:14:58 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Karbox Delacroix wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I'm not a psychic and neither are you.


Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX.

So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together.


No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome.


This only feeds the paranoids who will site this as proof of bias and that some were looking for a pretext to exclude Hydra and Outbreak.
Sumeragy
Nemesis Logistics
Goonswarm Federation
#243 - 2012-05-26 15:15:19 UTC
Is it just me or does he troll everyone who wants to have a serious discussion Shocked
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#244 - 2012-05-26 15:17:07 UTC
carbomb wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
carbomb wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
[

None of those teams had a history of cheating using the exact same methods they were using again this year. Were we not to have to enforce these new rules a conversation with PL or RvB wouldn't have been necessary because those teams would have been in.

I hope this helps but it probably won't.




I'm Sorry, where did it say that what happend in AT9 was against the rules? No rules were broken! therefore they can not be regarded as "cheats" for it.

What would probably end all this posting is an admission from sreegs and co that basically this is them hitting back at last years finalists out of spite. You outmetagamed the metagamers and fair play ccp, you did it well. Just admit that this is payback and this matter will be closed. Its pretty pathetic how you are behaving. Most people can see that this was your attempt at revenge. You really are a bunch of kids at times. You made mistakes, you tried cover them up. admit your wrong doings and move along. By the way, If one of my employee's spoke to my customers the way you do to yours you would be out on your ear! Show some professionalism, man.

also love how you hung the Senior GM who responded to Hydra/0utbreak out to dry to cover you behinds. Smooth!


Read the stickies. You seem to have missed them


if they cheated in AT9 then you would have disqualified them both and certainly not awarded them their prizes. The reason you didn't, is because there were no rules about what they did. You can not brandish them as cheats when they did not break any rules.


Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#245 - 2012-05-26 15:17:31 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Sreegs
Karbox Delacroix wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Karbox Delacroix wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I'm not a psychic and neither are you.


Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX.

So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together.


No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome.


This only feeds the paranoids who will site this as proof of bias and that some were looking for a pretext to exclude Hydra and Outbreak.


if you say so

:edit: we don't need pretexts

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#246 - 2012-05-26 15:18:31 UTC
Sumeragy wrote:
Is it just me or does he troll everyone who wants to have a serious discussion Shocked



There isn't a serious discussion on this forum in the past 24 hours except where that one guy asked a question that subsequently got filled with garbage by Hydra and I'm not trolling.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
Suleiman Shouaa
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#247 - 2012-05-26 15:18:44 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Neither one of those teams was cheating in this way. I hope this helps.


They asked for clarification since what you've stated as "working together" is so loose it's actually incredible. Why didn't you just say that:

Doing X,Y,Z will get you banned

BUT

U,V,W is ok

They asked for clarification via the official line of communication. You did not respond to said request.

So, they sent it again. Again you did not respond.

So, since the official line of communication wasn't responding, they used another line of communication to reach the same source at the end of the day since the GMs should be able to defer any queries to the appropriate party and get the right response.

They got a response and went with it since it was the first response they got.

What else do you want them to do? Can you please post your phone number so if you ignore two of my emails, I can get a hold of you?
iLLeLogicaL
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#248 - 2012-05-26 15:18:47 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
iLLeLogicaL wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Karbox Delacroix wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I'm not a psychic and neither are you.


Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX.

So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together.


No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome.

A fact that could also easily be achieved by just banning one of them.


Deleting TQ or cancelling the tournament would solve that problem also while we're conjecturing. I think I'm getting good at this. It's so much easier than dealing with reality thanks!

That's an even better option! It would get rid of 2 problems at once!
But I just want to see Hydro or Outbreak, since your of the opinion that they're one team, in the tournament for ~gudfites~ guess I can't expect that coming from a blobman :-(
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#249 - 2012-05-26 15:19:16 UTC
How did this idiot even become a dev....

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Time Funnel
Just a side dish
Outspoken Alliance
#250 - 2012-05-26 15:20:18 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:

Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.



And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok".

Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever?

A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it.
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#251 - 2012-05-26 15:20:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Duncan Tanner
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CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#252 - 2012-05-26 15:21:23 UTC
Suleiman Shouaa wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Neither one of those teams was cheating in this way. I hope this helps.


They asked for clarification since what you've stated as "working together" is so loose it's actually incredible. Why didn't you just say that:

Doing X,Y,Z will get you banned

BUT

U,V,W is ok

They asked for clarification via the official line of communication. You did not respond to said request.

So, they sent it again. Again you did not respond.

So, since the official line of communication wasn't responding, they used another line of communication to reach the same source at the end of the day since the GMs should be able to defer any queries to the appropriate party and get the right response.

They got a response and went with it since it was the first response they got.

What else do you want them to do? Can you please post your phone number so if you ignore two of my emails, I can get a hold of you?


The response they got didn't ok what they did nor did they say what they were doing in the email making both irrelevant but I already explained this. Now I know why there are canned responses this is getting tiring.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
IamBeastx
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#253 - 2012-05-26 15:22:31 UTC
Time Funnel wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.



And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok".

Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever?

A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it.


Still waiting on the link/quote stating 'A' teams will get banned if they are deemed to have a 'B' team.

All my life i wanted to be someone, now i know i should have been more specific.
ScoRpS
Moist Wanted.
OnlyFleets.
#254 - 2012-05-26 15:22:41 UTC
Sreegs since you're the only one responding, which i guess i am greatful for can you clarify that we will be ok to apply again next year or will the AT team be as strident and underhanded again in opposition to our participation?
DeBingJos
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#255 - 2012-05-26 15:22:42 UTC
Time Funnel wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.



And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok".

Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever?

A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it.



If they were cheating, then why did they win AT9 instead of being disqualified??

Everything they did at AT9 was within the rules.

Ungi maðurinn þekkir reglurnar, en gamli maðurinn þekkir undantekningarnar. The young man knows the rules, but the old man knows the exceptions.

Intigo
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#256 - 2012-05-26 15:22:49 UTC
CCP Sreegs wrote:
No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome.


That's a great way to run a tournament. Ban teams this year based on what they did last year when the ruleset was entirely different.

The more you reply the more obvious it gets that banning HYDRA & Outbreak is entirely because of a grudge held by CCP. The Alliance Tournament team ignores all emails sent to them and you create a ruleset so vague that you can fit it to your needs as you go.

CVA & 4th intended to do the very same thing that HYDRA & Outbreak did because they were practicing in a wormhole too - you still have yet to address that at all. The fact that CVA & 4th felt that this was within the rules (just as we did) is a testimony to how insane it is that you ban HYDRA & Outbreak over doing it.

hydra provail
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#257 - 2012-05-26 15:23:15 UTC
iLLeLogicaL wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
iLLeLogicaL wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:
Karbox Delacroix wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:


I'm not a psychic and neither are you.


Actually, yes you are, or at least you are claiming to be. You are claiming this because you seem to be stating that because they trained together, YOU KNOW FOR A FACT, that they intended to collude together during the ATX(*) and possibly throw matches like the final ATIX.

So yes, you are claiming a motivation that is inside the mind of the individuals. You would have to be psychic to know that they were intending to collude together because they were sparring together.


No but what I do know is what they did last year and it won't be happening again now. You're welcome.

A fact that could also easily be achieved by just banning one of them.


Deleting TQ or cancelling the tournament would solve that problem also while we're conjecturing. I think I'm getting good at this. It's so much easier than dealing with reality thanks!

That's an even better option! It would get rid of 2 problems at once!
But I just want to see Hydro or Outbreak, since your of the opinion that they're one team, in the tournament for ~gudfites~ guess I can't expect that coming from a blobman :-(


I'd have loved to see them as well. As stated in the two stickies at the top of this forum.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#258 - 2012-05-26 15:23:40 UTC
IamBeastx wrote:
Time Funnel wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.



And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok".

Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever?

A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it.


Still waiting on the link/quote stating 'A' teams will get banned if they are deemed to have a 'B' team.


I linked it a page or two ago.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#259 - 2012-05-26 15:25:09 UTC
ScoRpS wrote:
Sreegs since you're the only one responding, which i guess i am greatful for can you clarify that we will be ok to apply again next year or will the AT team be as strident and underhanded again in opposition to our participation?


I'm going to worry about that next year. Right now I have this year's tournament to worry about.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012
CCP Sreegs
CCP Retirement Home
#260 - 2012-05-26 15:25:42 UTC
DeBingJos wrote:
Time Funnel wrote:
CCP Sreegs wrote:

Thank you for telling me why I do what I do. They are cheats because they were cheating which is why they won't be in this year's tournament as explained in two sticky posts in this very forum.



And there you have it. They were cheating and that is why they were banned. Since the rule changes what they did last year is "no longer ok".

Do you guys still want to argue about who said what and whatever?

A stupid monkey with a learning disability could see they were cheating. Nobody wanted to say it.



If they were cheating, then why did they win AT9 instead of being disqualified??

Everything they did at AT9 was within the rules.


They weren't kicked out last year good thing I didn't say they were cheating then.

"Sreegs has juuust edged out Soundwave as my favourite dev." - Meita Way 2012