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Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-05-24 23:02:57 UTC
Hardwick Johnson wrote:
Come to my system sometime: People tag behind us on missions all the time and take our salvage (which has always been legal) and the wreck cargo (which used to allow us to shoot them, but now does not).

Then file a bug report on crimewatch, instead of whining here.

Hardwick Johnson wrote:
This is false. There are zero consequences for thief's.

When was the last time you saw someone get concorded for stealing anything?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#22 - 2012-05-24 23:02:59 UTC
Hardwick Johnson wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Concord provides consequences not protection.



Bulls**t.
Consequences to who???


Bullshit called and rightly so.

It just adds another measure of math.

Steal in a noob ship, they are free. It's why Corps fail, it's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw. You can't freebase mechanics that let people steal. There is no way to hold them to account. Normal games know this and simply lock it out.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Lustralis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-05-24 23:06:34 UTC
Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Don't start a debate about this old chesnut. If people are looting your cans, MOVE TO ANOTHER SYSTEM, preferably one out of the way. Use this handy tool. These discussions are really boring and only serve to give the annoying ass-hats who engage in this ass-hattery the attention they so desperately crave. Be a man, move elsewhere and forget about them.
Hardwick Johnson
Ouroboric Absolution
The Commonwealth.
#24 - 2012-05-24 23:06:42 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
[quote=Hardwick Johnson]Come to my system sometime: People tag behind us on missions all the time and take our salvage (which has always been legal) and the wreck cargo (which used to allow us to shoot them, but now does not).

Then file a bug report on crimewatch, instead of whining here.

I have. Thanks for the constructive input.
/sarcasm off
Caldari Citizen 786478786
#25 - 2012-05-24 23:06:55 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Hardwick Johnson wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Concord provides consequences not protection.



Bulls**t.
Consequences to who???


Bullshit called and rightly so.

It just adds another measure of math.

Steal in a noob ship, they are free. It's why Corps fail, it's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw. You can't freebase mechanics that let people steal. There is no way to hold them to account. Normal games know this and simply lock it out.


Another measure of math?

It's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw?

Freebasing mechanics?

Can I have some of whatever the **** you're freebasing? It sounds delightful.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#26 - 2012-05-24 23:08:58 UTC
Hardwick Johnson wrote:
I have. Thanks for the constructive input.
/sarcasm off

Then why the million tears post? Have they spent several weeks without fixing it, or even respond to your petition?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Shian Yang
#27 - 2012-05-24 23:13:26 UTC
Hardwick Johnson wrote:
So high-sec is a place where people steal from you without fear. Again, save the "sandbox" crap. In real life I get to shoot criminals.
NullSec/LowSec, well, at least THERE you can shoot people without having concord get all pissy about you killing a criminal, just people with less than a year or two stand no chance there.


Greetings capsuleer,

It seems to me the answer to your problem is so simple you have answered it for yourself. Move away from the dubious protection offered by CONCORD. Come to live on the frontier of space where the stagnant empires and their lackeys cannot touch you.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#28 - 2012-05-24 23:13:54 UTC
Im a ninja looter, ninja salvager, canfliper and ganker.

Apparently, you don't like my EvE Online profession.

The Tears Must Flow
Hardwick Johnson
Ouroboric Absolution
The Commonwealth.
#29 - 2012-05-24 23:14:05 UTC
Lustralis wrote:
Noooooooooooooooooooooo. Don't start a debate about this old chesnut. If people are looting your cans, MOVE TO ANOTHER SYSTEM, preferably one out of the way. Use this handy tool. These discussions are really boring and only serve to give the annoying ass-hats who engage in this ass-hattery the attention they so desperately crave. Be a man, move elsewhere and forget about them.




If this has been an ongoing issue, why doesn't CCP just allow us the right to kill them.
Or do the DEV's like to spank it when reading these threads? I guess it's better than being a Furry, though it's still kinda sick.
How about it DEV's? How about you apply this "sandbox" you keep preaching about evenly. Let us slap the silly bastards upside the head for stealing. Slap a child in the ass enough times, they'll think twice. If not, they grow into criminals and nothing says "save the tax-payer the cost of a trial" like shooting a criminal in the face.

As to moving: I'd rather not leave my PI space and the agents I've built up a rep with. If I have to, I will. But why do I have to move all my ships/inventory because one guy who can just follow me about like an annoying stay cat? When do I get to skin the cat?
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#30 - 2012-05-24 23:16:02 UTC
Caldari Citizen 786478786 wrote:
Ioci wrote:
Hardwick Johnson wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
Concord provides consequences not protection.



Bulls**t.
Consequences to who???


Bullshit called and rightly so.

It just adds another measure of math.

Steal in a noob ship, they are free. It's why Corps fail, it's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw. You can't freebase mechanics that let people steal. There is no way to hold them to account. Normal games know this and simply lock it out.


Another measure of math?

It's not a feature, it's a terminal flaw?

Freebasing mechanics?

Can I have some of whatever the **** you're freebasing? It sounds delightful.


You should get a Job for CNN, you can read shite back and make it sound like you have half a notion wtf you are talking about.

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Hardwick Johnson
Ouroboric Absolution
The Commonwealth.
#31 - 2012-05-24 23:16:03 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Im a ninja looter, ninja salvager, canfliper and ganker.

Apparently, you don't like my EvE Online profession.


Actually I don't mind it all. I'd just love the chance to pop you for it. And if you win: Kudos. I go home and lick my wounds and leave the spoils to the victor. But let me have the shot at taking you down is all I ask...
Hardwick Johnson
Ouroboric Absolution
The Commonwealth.
#32 - 2012-05-24 23:18:04 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:


Greetings capsuleer,

It seems to me the answer to your problem is so simple you have answered it for yourself. Move away from the dubious protection offered by CONCORD. Come to live on the frontier of space where the stagnant empires and their lackeys cannot touch you.

Regards,

Shian Yang



Would love to and so goes the grand plan. Alas, "...of mice and men" as the old yarn goes....
At a month in the game, I'd be dead 30-40 times just trying to get there.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#33 - 2012-05-24 23:22:46 UTC
I'll just point out that ninja salvaging is seen by CCP to be a valid profession within the Eve universe.

Here's some linkage for the OPs benefit

Eve Wiki on ninja salvaging

Eve Uni on ninja salvaging

Per CCP Mitnal:
CCP Mitnal wrote:
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."

Per GM Faolchu :
GM Faolchu wrote:
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Per Senior GM Ytterbium :
GM Ytterbium wrote:
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

Per CCP Prism X :
CCP Prism X wrote:
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.

Per CCP Incognito :
CCP Incognito wrote:
Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.

(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#34 - 2012-05-24 23:24:16 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
Concord provides consequences not protection.


Consequences for ppl attacking Gankers and business expenses for the gankers

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#35 - 2012-05-24 23:24:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Terranid Meester
If you are referring to salvage [you don't come across that clearly to me] then salvage is allowed to be taken by anyone, as a mini-profession like mining [you ever hear about miners complaining about someone taking their asteroids?]. A character taking your loot INSIDE the wreck can be shot as soon as they take it [you just need to work at catching them]

I personally have taken salvage from mission runners before [in caldari space] and some of the choice modules from their wrecks, though those mission runners were not able to be fast enough or have the right modules to tackle me before I escaped. I have had one or two of my ships shot under me while attempting such things but that was from npcs [those exploding gas clouds are dangerous too].

A good tip to avoiding legal salvagers and module thieves [like myself] is to do your mission running in an out of way system where theres less chance of encountering them [unlike for example Motsu] or perhaps in low-sec/0.0. Having an escort with you while you do your mission might also be an alternative. Most mission runners however tend to do them solo and/or don't think about module theives/legal salvagers anyway so are often caught out.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#36 - 2012-05-24 23:26:38 UTC
In honor of this thread I am going to go ninja looting the rest of the day. Pirate
Spurty
#37 - 2012-05-24 23:30:54 UTC
"I'm NOT SURE WHATS GOING ON wrote:
Concord places no value on this wreckage.


Clearly you can just SHOOT, NOS, Target Paint, warp Scramble etc etc any wreckage. Concord placed no value on it .. HEY WHY ARE THEY SHOOTING ME?

OP, CCP don't get it right and can't get it right without breaking things. Stop running missions anyway. They are injecting ISK into the system :-/

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

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Shian Yang
#38 - 2012-05-24 23:31:50 UTC
Hardwick Johnson wrote:
Would love to and so goes the grand plan. Alas, "...of mice and men" as the old yarn goes....
At a month in the game, I'd be dead 30-40 times just trying to get there.


Greetings capsuleer,

Then what makes you think you'd be likely to survive a baiter even if you had kill rights?

Find a corporation and move to the boundary where your own guns count for more than the lack of protection from a doughnut of CONCORD.

They can escort, teach and get you moving. It takes time and means making friends but if that is the grand plan you cannot go wrong. It is the future of New Eden.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#39 - 2012-05-24 23:38:07 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
Hardwick Johnson wrote:
Would love to and so goes the grand plan. Alas, "...of mice and men" as the old yarn goes....
At a month in the game, I'd be dead 30-40 times just trying to get there.


Greetings capsuleer,

Then what makes you think you'd be likely to survive a baiter even if you had kill rights?

Find a corporation and move to the boundary where your own guns count for more than the lack of protection from a doughnut of CONCORD.

They can escort, teach and get you moving. It takes time and means making friends but if that is the grand plan you cannot go wrong. It is the future of New Eden.

Regards,

Shian Yang


or dont mission in ninja popular areas... IE Get out of caldari space

I havent been ninjaed in at least a year

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Reicine Ceer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-05-24 23:40:12 UTC
Hardwick Johnson -- was this in Lustrevik yesterday? If so, that a**hat was me :) If not, then ignore the following.

Just to let you and everyone else know what was going on, i was incredibly bored and decided to go on a ninja salvaging spree, which consisted of..well, just you tbh. I scanned you down and then, upon warping cloaked into your first-room of your mission, saw nothing but abandoned wrecks.

Deciding to make some isk, i returned to my home station, picked up my Noctis and returned - only to find another noctis handily tractoring in wrecks - this saved me a fair amount of time flying about - and i began salvaging as i went. At no point was i contacted by my fellow salvageer (i think i've coined a phrase here) and in fact if you'd paid attention you would have seen that at the end of salvaging the whole room i dumped the entire contents of my cargohold into a can, abandoned it and was happy to let you take the stuff - instead ya warped out and left the container full of salvage. So i shrugged, picked it up and went home with it.

Your distinct lack of understanding regarding outright "theft" (which generally people do so that they can get a fight) and "ninja salvaging" aside, CHILL OUT. Put some time and effort into getting your salvaging skills up and salvage faster next time - or get yourself into a probing ship and do the same -- its fun.

:)
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