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Mangala Solaris
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#41 - 2012-05-25 09:51:01 UTC
DHB WildCat wrote:
Wow there is a lot of blatant fear in here. Am I the only one that wants to actually fight the best out there...... There is way too much people just wanting to win and not enough wanting a challenge!


I too would like to face the best and brightest and this would include hydra/outbreak or even them combined into some form of hydrabreak ;)
Hey You
Desolate Waste
Desolate.
#42 - 2012-05-25 10:04:28 UTC
This will without any doubt reduce quality of PVP and game play in the tournament. I for one would want the chance to prove my team vs Hydra or Outbreak on field. Chance to beat top teams is what makes this tournament thrilling. Not to mention trolling Intigo and betting with Garmon before matches :P

Could Hydra / Outbreak handle this situation on a way to avoid what happened? Yes. They could and they should have.

Was this fitting punishment? No it wasn't. This had to be handled better by CCP.

But i do firmly believe that they should be able to reform one Team and play or that you can find some other model. Same like you helped our Voltron team 2 years ago when we got disbanded after sign ups.

This is official Raiden. point of view as DHB Wildcat requested.

0/ Wild
Lallante
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
#43 - 2012-05-25 10:17:49 UTC
This is hilarious. A summary:

Hydra and Outbreak ruin alliance tournament IX through effectively being the same team through crazy collaboration.

A new rule is introduced specifically to prevent this.

Hydra and Outbreak do exactly the same **** again.

The new rule is obviously being broken. By all sensible measures Hydra and Outbreak are one team, sharing strategies, logistics and fittings (which together make up 90% of preparation for the tournament).

Hydra and Outbreak write some vague-sounding petitions ("practice together" - to most people this means practice fighting against each other under mock-tournament conditions, not merging into a single corporation and practicing with mixed teams and shared doctrines) and then assume this means they can carry on breaking the rules. Sound familiar? That's because this is exactly the same approach they take to exploits on TQ! (and of course its bullshit.).

Hydra and Outbreak get punished for deliberately breaking the rule created specifically aimed at them.

Everyone acts surprised.



PS: The PL situation is different - they weren't "effectively the same team" but they were sufficiently close to warrant disqualifying Snigwaffe. Theres no suggestion they were working together with the PL team on tournament related matters.
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#44 - 2012-05-25 11:00:44 UTC
DHB WildCat wrote:

My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.

I think they should have asked for that before, instead of trying to get both teams in.
Nevigrofnu Mrots
Goonswarm Federation
#45 - 2012-05-25 11:10:20 UTC
DHB WildCat wrote:
I am starting this thread in hopes that maybe it will allow a middle ground to be reached by these teams and CCP. I am inviting every team to share there thoughts and vote about this subject.

I hope that if there is enough support that we will see CCP bend the rules like they did for me and my team that was disbanded a few years ago after the deadline. I believe it worked out for the best and gave the viewers a good show.

My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.

There should be a defending champion at least to defend their title and I would hate to see some the best minds not get into the tourney for a technicality.


I ask kindly to please allow them to reform like you did VOLTRON a few years ago.

Thank you for time.

Wild


By now and after The mittanni ban you all should known that after CCP writes a sentence down, there is no way back.

Deal with with, stop crying and next year make a new alliance get your pilots in and run as one team.

CCP was looking at you when it made the rule A B Teams. They were watching every move you made in the game and first thing you both do, repeat last year joke and merge to train together! What you should have done as soon you read this rule is pack your things and one of you move to the other side of the galaxy and not even talk with the other team and pray CCP doesn't look at you in a funny way.
Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-05-25 11:14:30 UTC
After last years debacle i don't think either team should be allowed in ATX at all.
xo3e
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-05-25 11:26:29 UTC
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What you should have done as soon you read this rule is pack your things and one of you move to the other side of the galaxy


we just dont have enough people to practice separately.

anyways we would have to pick some another team to practice with and i bet that ccp would say "what the ****? now you made even more backup teams? C and D? KICK BAN GTFO IDK etc."

just because their ass was on fire for entire year and they could not think clearly because of PAIN.

now it exploded at last.

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Rhatar Khurin
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-05-25 11:32:10 UTC
xo3e wrote:
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What you should have done as soon you read this rule is pack your things and one of you move to the other side of the galaxy


we just dont have enough people to practice separately.

anyways we would have to pick some another team to practice with and i bet that ccp would say "what the ****? now you made even more backup teams? C and D? KICK BAN GTFO IDK etc."

just because their ass was on fire for entire year and they could not think clearly because of PAIN.

now it exploded at last.


You surely have 10 other peeps to fight against?
xo3e
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-05-25 11:43:41 UTC
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You surely have 10 other peeps to fight against?


12 actually
and i think it should be dedicated hardcore players with perfect skills (character and piloting both), and enough free time in rl, and etc.

and you need 24 (at least 24) of these to be in your alliance )). its just unreal. we dont have them.
and practicing against some 12 scrublords is just waste of time.

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Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#50 - 2012-05-25 12:13:36 UTC
Robert Caldera wrote:
DHB WildCat wrote:

My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.

I think they should have asked for that before, instead of trying to get both teams in.



Did you notice the bit where Hydra and OB indeed tried to ask about these things before? (See Garmon's post in the locked thread)
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#51 - 2012-05-25 12:43:00 UTC
I think it's fine you guy's practiced together... But you should only be allowed to try to get into the ATX with 1 team, since you are training together like you were, and because of last year... But I strongly believe at least one of you should be allowed to join this year... even merge a team together if you wish

as a secondary rule, I would think it would be fine if CCP punished any future offenders who left us with a similar battle as last year by simply giving the first price to the team that was beat right before the final match and deny it for the winner... unless they provide us with a EPIC BATTLE!

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Sarah xCalibre
Pod Liberation Authority
#52 - 2012-05-25 13:33:12 UTC
Give Hydra and Outbreak one spot together, as the first match they go up against eachother to compete for one spot and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.

Tbh though i want to see them both in there, two of the best damn pvp teams Ive seen in EVE. The Tournament will be a joke now.
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xo3e
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#53 - 2012-05-25 13:38:51 UTC
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and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.


pandemic legion ownage machine versus noname scrublords
what, you dont consider this a magnificent battle as real finale?

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Raimo
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#54 - 2012-05-25 13:41:12 UTC
Bubanni wrote:
I think it's fine you guy's practiced together... But you should only be allowed to try to get into the ATX with 1 team, since you are training together like you were, and because of last year... But I strongly believe at least one of you should be allowed to join this year... even merge a team together if you wish

as a secondary rule, I would think it would be fine if CCP punished any future offenders who left us with a similar battle as last year by simply giving the first price to the team that was beat right before the final match and deny it for the winner... unless they provide us with a EPIC BATTLE!


Sarah xCalibre wrote:
Give Hydra and Outbreak one spot together, as the first match they go up against eachother to compete for one spot and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.

Tbh though i want to see them both in there, two of the best damn pvp teams Ive seen in EVE. The Tournament will be a joke now.


I think at this point we would be fine with any suggestions along these lines, tbh (Tho I cannot talk officially)
Sarah xCalibre
Pod Liberation Authority
#55 - 2012-05-25 13:47:02 UTC
xo3e wrote:
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and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.


pandemic legion ownage machine versus noname scrublords
what, you dont consider this a magnificent battle as real finale?


Umm no.

I think PL should have been banned as well. broken the same rule same punishment. In fact I dont want any teams to be banned, I want the best in there. Im not gonna watch except the matches my own alliance is in I guess, if they get in. =)
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xo3e
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-05-25 13:53:03 UTC  |  Edited by: xo3e
Sarah xCalibre wrote:
xo3e wrote:
Quote:
and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.


pandemic legion ownage machine versus noname scrublords
what, you dont consider this a magnificent battle as real finale?


Umm no.

I think PL should have been banned as well. broken the same rule same punishment. In fact I dont want any teams to be banned, I want the best in there. Im not gonna watch except the matches my own alliance is in I guess, if they get in. =)


CCP's hands are tied. they cant ban PL for it will dramatically reduce already broken interest to AT

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Sarah xCalibre
Pod Liberation Authority
#57 - 2012-05-25 14:29:46 UTC
xo3e wrote:
Sarah xCalibre wrote:
xo3e wrote:
Quote:
and give us the real final we missed last year! Would be fun.


pandemic legion ownage machine versus noname scrublords
what, you dont consider this a magnificent battle as real finale?


Umm no.

I think PL should have been banned as well. broken the same rule same punishment. In fact I dont want any teams to be banned, I want the best in there. Im not gonna watch except the matches my own alliance is in I guess, if they get in. =)


CCP's hands are tied. they cant ban PL for it will dramatically reduce already broken interest to AT



Damn and I thought CCP was known for being snakes and biting their own butt.
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DeadDuck
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#58 - 2012-05-25 14:31:23 UTC
TBH Hydra and Outbreak were asking for it. Both alliances AND the 2 Team captains should have been banned from future tournments after last year final.

More, if you see alliances favouring other alliances to get them on following stages, they, and their Team Captains should be banned also.

This is of course if CCP wants to make the Tournment one of the highest moments in EVE during each year. If you aren't well just let people keep fixing matches one after the other, playing games in fixed bets and so on , so on, so on.
Shiroi Okami
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#59 - 2012-05-25 15:13:56 UTC
DeadDuck wrote:
TBH Hydra and Outbreak were asking for it. Both alliances AND the 2 Team captains should have been banned from future tournments after last year final.

More, if you see alliances favouring other alliances to get them on following stages, they, and their Team Captains should be banned also.

This is of course if CCP wants to make the Tournment one of the highest moments in EVE during each year. If you aren't well just let people keep fixing matches one after the other, playing games in fixed bets and so on , so on, so on.




This is amusing only because mass bannings of competent teams is the only way your terrible alliance would ever get a whiff of the finals.

It's CCP's double standards, bad damage control, and obvious intent to **** us over that has people up in arms. I think only if CCP can come up with a perfectly valid reason as to why the collaborated with RvB but completely ignored Hydra and Outbreak correspondence will they regain any of the face they have already lost. Unfortunately some of that face in unsalvageable.

Also;

'We have been watching Hydra/Outbreak and believe they are operating under the same standards as last year'

'Oh but we didn't have time or didn't recieve any emails from them about anything. And that GM was wrong. No wait he was right, but what he was talking about wasn't what Hydra and Outbreak were doing they are doing something else so we can still ban them now I'm locking this thread go away'

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Zarathushtra
0utbreak
#60 - 2012-05-25 15:14:26 UTC
We broke no rules last year nor this year.

Also I really dont understand how would you ever come to think of us as a B-Team. Not only we have been around for more than 6 years, we have done pretty well for ourselves atleast according to some rankings. I guess we do way less forum posting than some (until recently). We have allways been very small hence the last years joint effort with Hydra. Its been explained in many threads why we let them win. Horrid decision and certainly an uncalled insult against many, but not against any rule at the time. And we are still very sorry but cant take that back.

This year we asked for clarification for the rules. We got one, acted on it and got banned due formality after CCP interpreted their own rules just because they can. We were very open about all of our intentions. They could have banned us according to the new rules had we done something wrong come tournament, right? Yet they choose to interpret they own rule so they can ban us now, just before the first auction and 48 hours before the last so no petition will get a response in time.

Im certainly not disputing the new set of rules. But we have allways acted according to rules available at a time.

We broke no rules last year nor this year. But lock all threads (Im sure this will go away) and let PL play.


Quote:
Alliance tournament x rules:
“We will be actively removing those alliances that try and add a ‘B’ or ‘C’ team. We want everyone to have a fair chance but stacking the deck in this manner will not be permitted. This removal will also include the main alliance if we detect anyone trying to field more than one team.”

Teams Removed From Competition:
“YOUR VOTES DON’T COUNT is an alliance consisting of a holding corporation and Sniggwaffe, which is widely known as the farm team for Sniggerdly. This is a fact which they openly admit. Unfortunately given that fact, and given the fact that the team captain and CEO bounce regularly between or have alts in Pandemic Legion, we cannot consider them anything other than a B team for Pandemic Legion and as such have to remove them from eligibility for competition.”


Seriously?