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HYDRA / PL / OUTBREAK

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DHB WildCat
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#1 - 2012-05-24 22:29:49 UTC
I am starting this thread in hopes that maybe it will allow a middle ground to be reached by these teams and CCP. I am inviting every team to share there thoughts and vote about this subject.

I hope that if there is enough support that we will see CCP bend the rules like they did for me and my team that was disbanded a few years ago after the deadline. I believe it worked out for the best and gave the viewers a good show.

My proposal is to allow Outbreak / HYDRA to form a single team, the same for PL / and PL B.

There should be a defending champion at least to defend their title and I would hate to see some the best minds not get into the tourney for a technicality.


I ask kindly to please allow them to reform like you did VOLTRON a few years ago.

Thank you for time.

Wild
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#2 - 2012-05-24 22:46:29 UTC
Thanks for the sentiment.

If CCP's tournament team had any dialogue with us apart from this:

CCP Loxy wrote:
Duncan Tanner wrote:
CCP Loxy wrote:
Raivi wrote:


Would other teams with similar specific concerns be able to contact you via some official channel to discuss it?


Yes you can contact us at evetv@ccpgames.com if anyone would like to discuss an alliance entry ahead of time.


We sent an inquiry to this e-mail and haven't received a response for over a week now. Has anyone else received a response?


Sorry we've had a few of these and I should have gotten back to you but we're going to investigate these issues after sign ups and then take action.


We would've been prepared to do whatever was required to adhere to their interpretation of the rules.

However it seems that they were very much aware of exactly what we planned to do since we told them and they acknowledged receiving it above but for some reason they needed to wait after Hydra and 0utbreak signed up with separate teams in order to "take action".

If they want each group to stop practicing together completely, then fine, just say so. If they want to do the same thing with us as they did with RvB and have us merge into a single team, then fine, just say so. However, saying nothing to either group when they both reached out to you and then banning them both just doesn't seem right.

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Joe D'Trader
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-05-24 22:46:57 UTC
I agree, they should be allowed a single team. The competition obviously doesn't need B teams, but they did make an attempt to ask if what they were doing was ok. Allow them to merge into a single alliance for ATX and bid like everyone else. ATX without last years winners is a bit ah... I don't even know. It will still be a good competition without them, but it would be better if they were allowed to field a single team.
Shamis Orzoz
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#4 - 2012-05-24 23:00:43 UTC
I do think it's ridiculous that they did not make things more clear in your correspondence with them, and I am annoyed that a victory this year really won't mean as much.

However, they clearly added the B team rule because of hydra/outbreak. So thinking that you'd be able to operate in the same fashion as last year was foolish to say the least.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#5 - 2012-05-24 23:04:58 UTC
Duncan Tanner wrote:
However it seems that they were very much aware of exactly what we planned to do since we told them and they acknowledged receiving it above but for some reason they needed to wait after Hydra and 0utbreak signed up with separate teams in order to "take action".

If they want each group to stop practicing together completely, then fine, just say so. If they want to do the same thing with us as they did with RvB and have us merge into a single team, then fine, just say so. However, saying nothing to either group when they both reached out to you and then banning them both just doesn't seem right.


Pretty sure it was the tournament team that banned you (sreegs) and they didn't even know about what the GM said to you until it was posted in the thread, ergo they hadn't read any of your correspondence.

Basically you made the mistake of talking to GMs when you shoulda been talking to Loxy or Sreegs (I think PL were talking to Loxy about the whole sniggwaffe not being a b-team thing?)

Anyways I dunno why anyone is surprised by your two teams getting banned, the rule was created specifically for you in the first place ;P
Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch
Evasive Maneuvering.
#6 - 2012-05-24 23:06:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Faffywaffy
As I said in the other thread, I think Hydra/0utbreak do deserve what they got, but the tournament is worse without them. One of their teams should be allowed to enter, but no dirty fighting.
Kadesh Priestess
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#7 - 2012-05-24 23:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Kadesh Priestess
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Pretty sure it was the tournament team that banned you (sreegs) and they didn't even know about what the GM said to you until it was posted in the thread, ergo they hadn't read any of your correspondence.
I asked CCP Spitfire if particularly that GM is allowed to reply such questions. He assured that GMs won't reply questions concerning AT without asking proper people & said that this GM is really competent guy and his words might be relied on.
Terios Corvalis
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-05-24 23:10:17 UTC
Rules were published long before the tournament application.

To ensure that all Alliances get a fair opportunity to participate we will be checking on team entries and will disqualify teams who we consider to be 'B' or 'C' teams for bigger Alliances.

It's obvious for everyone after last Alliance Tournament, that Hydra and Outbreak is basically the same team. Either of them should have backed down. They didn't. It's not CCP's responsibility to decide which one is the "A" team. In this case both teams must face the consequences.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#9 - 2012-05-24 23:10:59 UTC
CCP Loxy wrote:
Everyone, the GM response to the petition was not brought to the attention of the Alliance Tournament team and should not have been sent, this was an error that we will investigate further.


I'm guessing Spitfire is just some community dev or something and doesn't know what he's talking about.
Qlfon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-24 23:11:05 UTC
Oh, Faffywaffy STOP NOW.
Your ButtHurt is so obvious from loosing to 0utbreak last year in semi-final, that its just too funny how are you happy they are not in. And i can bet you will loose this year to some no-name **** team, only because you deserve this.
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#11 - 2012-05-24 23:12:10 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Duncan Tanner wrote:
However it seems that they were very much aware of exactly what we planned to do since we told them and they acknowledged receiving it above but for some reason they needed to wait after Hydra and 0utbreak signed up with separate teams in order to "take action".

If they want each group to stop practicing together completely, then fine, just say so. If they want to do the same thing with us as they did with RvB and have us merge into a single team, then fine, just say so. However, saying nothing to either group when they both reached out to you and then banning them both just doesn't seem right.


Pretty sure it was the tournament team that banned you (sreegs) and they didn't even know about what the GM said to you until it was posted in the thread, ergo they hadn't read any of your correspondence.

Basically you made the mistake of talking to GMs when you shoulda been talking to Loxy or Sreegs (I think PL were talking to Loxy about the whole sniggwaffe not being a b-team thing?)

Anyways I dunno why anyone is surprised by your two teams getting banned, the rule was created specifically for you in the first place ;P


We sent the mail to very same e-mail Loxy told us to send inquiries to after Raivi asked him. We in fact sent multiple mails directly to the CCP tournament team. This is all very clear in the quote I included. He acknowledged that he should have replied to us but was waiting for some reason.

I'm not sure if you simply did not read my post or are posting to create confusion.

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Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-24 23:14:27 UTC
Sreegs must surely have a big dossier of evidence that lead him to this conclusion, he wouldn't just be making it up or anything right?

Outbreak and Hydra would surely not fear the presentation of this evidence? So how about it?

ATX: The best of the rest.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#13 - 2012-05-24 23:15:58 UTC
Duncan Tanner wrote:
I'm not sure if you simply did not read my post or are posting to create confusion.


I didn't know what mail you were talking about so I just ignored it, also paranoid much?
Kadesh Priestess
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#14 - 2012-05-24 23:16:42 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
I'm guessing Spitfire is just some community dev or something and doesn't know what he's talking about.
Right, but what about GM - who consulted him before replying petition? It's question of CCP's internal investigation, so i doubt we'll get the answer.


Basically, we ended up with having response from senior GM which turned out to have no weight, while contact involved into AT team intentionally kept silence.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#15 - 2012-05-24 23:20:01 UTC
no need for an investigation, the GM ****** up, the tourney team didn't bother replying to mails and Hydra/0utbreak were stupid / lazy and paid the price

i hope CCP end up letting one of their teams take part so we have a defending champion but doesn't seem very likely after Loxy's post
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#16 - 2012-05-24 23:24:17 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Duncan Tanner wrote:
I'm not sure if you simply did not read my post or are posting to create confusion.


I didn't know what mail you were talking about so I just ignored it, also paranoid much?



https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1356717#post1356717

...or are you going to pretend you never read that post?

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Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#17 - 2012-05-24 23:26:32 UTC
wow I'm sorry I didn't memorize your post, you should really take a chill pill bro
Mercurial Blood
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#18 - 2012-05-25 00:42:40 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
wow I'm sorry I didn't memorize your post, you should really take a chill pill bro


Hahahhahaha its funny, we should be the ones being bitter assholes here, not you.
sperman
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-25 00:46:13 UTC
Mercurial Blood wrote:
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
wow I'm sorry I didn't memorize your post, you should really take a chill pill bro


Hahahhahaha its funny, we should be the ones being bitter assholes here, not you.



yea cause he will be in the tourney
DHB WildCat
Out of Focus
Odin's Call
#20 - 2012-05-25 01:06:43 UTC
Wow there is a lot of blatant fear in here. Am I the only one that wants to actually fight the best out there...... There is way too much people just wanting to win and not enough wanting a challenge!
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