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Jonah Gravenstein

Machiavellian Space Bastards

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#21 - 2012-05-24 22:48:08 UTC

Vera Algaert wrote:

Maelstrom is a great mission running ship.

think I used something along these lines before upgrading to a Machariel:

[Maelstrom, New Setup 1]
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

100MN Afterburner II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, EMP L

Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I
Large Core Defense Field Extender I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5

I would advise against training for a Raven - if you have low SP you want to train skills that are useful in a variety of situations.
Training for a basic Drake and then switching to Minmatar is a sound decision - Drake, Hurricane, Tempest, Maelstrom are all popular ships.
Only train for a Raven if you want go for a Scorpion - otherwise the cruise missile skills are useless and rokh fleets aren't nearly common enough to justify training caldari battleship for a new character.

What really sucks is the guys who have 15-20m SP and join a pvp corp/alliance thinking they are now (finally!) useful - only to find out that training straight for Gallente ships was maybe not the best decision and that nobody is interested in their special snowflake rail Brutix.
Even if you don't plan to do pvp any time soon, make your training decisions with common pvp doctrines in mind.

Not sure if trolling or a copy paste error but why on earth would you fit Heatsinks on a Maelstrom when Gyrostabs are the obvious choice for 800's?

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Sarpy Aranori Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 35	#22 - 2012-05-24 23:54:11 UTC AFK Hauler wrote: If you go missiles, be sure to get the support skills to reduce your mission time. I noticed you had none of them trained. What are the support skills?

Petrus Blackshell

Rifterlings

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#23 - 2012-05-24 23:57:55 UTC

Sarpy Aranori wrote:

AFK Hauler wrote:

If you go missiles, be sure to get the support skills to reduce your mission time. I noticed you had none of them trained.

What are the support skills?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Item_Database:Skills:Missiles
Everything there that pertains to multiple types of missiles.

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Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards Likes received: 28,489	#24 - 2012-05-25 00:01:09 UTC 1 Support skills for missiles, fire all ze missiles In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack


Sarpy Aranori Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic Likes received: 35	#25 - 2012-05-25 01:17:20 UTC \| Edited by: Sarpy Aranori My damage output in a drake isn't too bad right now ^^ Isn't brilliant, but I can at least kill stuff :D And I have a noctis to salvage..So.. I think it's worth it ^-^

MadMuppet

Critical Mass Inc

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#26 - 2012-05-25 01:59:51 UTC | Edited by: MadMuppet

Level 4 missions require that you pay attention and that you have tanking skills and good drone skills. You can use almost any battleship in a Level 4, but if you don't have the back up skills (the various armor or shield compensation skills for instance) the damage that gets spewed upon you can make life absolutely miserable. I have a dead Machariel from not heading that advise because I thought the Mach would make up for my mediocre skills, it didn't. A bliion isk kick to the ego sucks (stupid jamming and warp scrambling frigates).

Drones can save your assets. Read up on the mission before you accept it: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=MissionReports

Note the names of anything that webs and scrams. I shield tank and always use two mission specific hardeners at the very least. The only time I use invuls in a mission anymore is Dread Pirate since the spawns are random.

As far as ships go, I fly Minmatar, but I took a drive down missile lane to see what it was like, and to be honest I found it boring. An AB or MWD on a gun BS can run away from the mission (kiting) and pop ships like mad while they sit at near zero transversal. The drone deal with the ones that get through.

My two isk.

Oh, here is the Mach I was using. Cheap 'rare' parts to keep the gankers from being interested. Not cap stable, but I have over 20 minutes of cap with my skills (and not all fives either) which is more than enough. Forgot to list drones, but usually Aclolytes and Hobs IIs with Warriors for Angels. I rarely carry anything but light drones, my worry is the small fast stuff, not the big slow stuff. The 800mm ACs deal with ships pretty quick. You can also get in to knife range and enjoy the fight (I think I have my orbit set to 17km and my 'keep at distance' set to 1000km (to run away and get zero transversal).

[Machariel, L4 General Mission Ship]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Gist C-Type 100MN Afterburner
Photon Scattering Field II
Heat Dissipation Field II
Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster
Cap Recharger II

800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
800mm Repeating Artillery II, EMP L
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

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Jonah Gravenstein Machiavellian Space Bastards Likes received: 28,489	#27 - 2012-05-25 02:07:16 UTC Eve survival is always good advice In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded. New Player FAQ Feyd's Survival Pack

loki energon

Anasazi Wanderratter's Social Club

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#28 - 2012-05-25 03:22:37 UTC | Edited by: loki energon

i started L4s with a T1 drake and no supports skills, dragging my rusty old hurricane fitted out with salvagers,tractors, nanos, and cargo extenders. i had a blast and lost like 4 drakes, but ive made a ton of isk, learned ALOT about fitting ships, and i have the same old hurricane for salvage.

P.S. eve survival mission guide should be your browser homepage, it will save you time and money.

kill em all.

University of Caille Gallente Federation 47
Large Marg University of Caille Gallente Federation Likes received: 47	#29 - 2012-05-25 03:47:42 UTC Tengu.......T2 or faction heavy missiles from 100 clicks out poppin Battleships. One point I had maybe %25 of my shields down..... just kite and pop.

Malcolm Roberts

Organized Chaos Inc

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#30 - 2012-05-25 04:12:19 UTC

I generally mission with a blaster-fitted Proteus. Just because I like dogfighting and I like chasing down enemy ships and opening the hatches and shooting the pirates in the face, at the same time sticking my head out the window and yelling "WHEE! WHEE WHEE WHEE! WHEEEEEE"" at the top of my lungs.

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Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate 1,231
Mina Sebiestar Minmatar Inner Space Conglomerate Likes received: 1,231	#31 - 2012-05-25 04:58:53 UTC \| Edited by: Mina Sebiestar 1600dps faction booted micro warp drive blaster talos for the win!!! Oh it have some tank. You choke behind a smile a fake behind the fear Because >>I is too hard

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Vyl Vit Likes received: 1,217	#32 - 2012-05-25 05:03:48 UTC I do fours in a hull-tanked Rifter. Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

The Scope Gallente Federation 232
leviticus ander The Scope Gallente Federation Likes received: 232	#33 - 2012-05-25 05:10:55 UTC with the new drone damage mods, I'd imagine that the domi is getting to be pretty frightening. it was very nice before them, and now they can get probably 30-50% more damage. only time I lost a domi was when I accidentally pulled about 5 waves at once and couldn't take out the scrams fast enough.

Kaaeliaa

Tyrannos Sunset

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#34 - 2012-05-25 05:24:39 UTC

Vera Algaert wrote:

Confirming Maelstrom is a great ship. My alt uses something like this. Gaming rig is dead, so unfortunately I can't really check it.

[Maelstrom, Mael Dominant Field]
Damage Control II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

100MN Afterburner II
X-Large Shield Booster II
Shield Boost Amplifier II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Sensor Booster, Scan Resolution Script
Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800

800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Phased Plasma L
800mm Heavy 'Scout' Repeating Artillery I, Phased Plasma L

Large Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Large Projectile Ambit Extension I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

Hobgoblin II x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5

Set the shield booster to auto-repeat off. If your second click to turn it off doesn't register and it stays on, say goodbye to your cap.

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."

Ager Agemo

Rainbow Ponies Incorporated

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#35 - 2012-05-25 05:26:54 UTC

Straigh answer, you asked for a PVE and mission ship, so ignore the pvp stuff, get a raven, is cheap and will do the stuff adequately, it will suck for pvp, but again you asked for PVE.

now the maelstrom suggestion is a good one actually, just … make sure you fit gyrostabilizers not heatsinks…

and Tech 2 arty can do some nice hits, specially the 1200 are good for medium range, and quake ammo works great for very close flying targets.

if you got spare isk for something beffier then go for a tengu or nighthawk. nighthawk is basically a slightly buffed up drake.

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Renturu In Glorium et Decorum Likes received: 221	#36 - 2012-05-25 05:29:09 UTC I know many and have personally run LVL4's with a Drake. Get your tank skills up and go to town. By the orders of PlunderBunny: ☻/ /▌ / \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums.

School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 543
Gealbhan School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State Likes received: 543	#37 - 2012-05-25 05:45:23 UTC 10mil sp? Raven. Fastest road for you right now.

destiny2

Decaying Rocky Odious Non Evil Stupid Inane Nobody

Looking for Trouble

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#38 - 2012-05-25 05:49:49 UTC

Vera Algaert wrote:

heatsinks on a maelstrom lol?

Republic University Minmatar Republic 1,392
Vera Algaert Republic University Minmatar Republic Likes received: 1,392	#39 - 2012-05-25 06:08:15 UTC \| Edited by: Vera Algaert destiny2 wrote: heatsinks on a maelstrom lol? derp, should be gyrostabs. in my defense, I lost my stored fittings a few months ago and threw this together in EFT at 1am. I'm editing the previous post to correct the mistake. .


Kaaeliaa Tyrannos Sunset Likes received: 100,090	#40 - 2012-05-27 17:26:40 UTC Renturu wrote: I know many and have personally run LVL4's with a Drake. Get your tank skills up and go to town. Most are do-able, but it takes forever. Wouldn't recommend it. "Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."

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