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RvB or Faction Warfare?
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Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#21 - 2012-07-31 09:47:34 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
The Snowman wrote:
One thing that struck me about RvB is how much hatred exists in the organisation.

They say that they always try to maintain an equelibrium between the two sides, with people being asked to switch to even it up to ensure "good fights"

you have to realize that RvB changes over time as people come and leave and that many people who praise it haven't been in RvB for quite some time (same goes for people who bash it such as myself)

When I joined RvB the first time in late 2009 it was just like you describe, players and FCs did swap between Red and Blue to balance activity, RvB was full of low SP characters, Major Trant demonstrated to the world that a completely new player can become a decent FC in just a couple of weeks as long as he leads a fleet every single evening and the arranged fights in EU TZ were good and plentiful.

Then the following happened from my POV:
- RvB had grown extremely popular causing a lot of experienced veterans to put alts into RvB for fun pvp.
- A series of 3rd party war-decs ensued and the enemies fought with ships (faction cruisers and battleships) that the RvB crowd didn't know how to handle (and which the t1 frigates/cruisers doctrine maybe couldn't handle effectively). A lot of unhappiness ensued,
- As a response RvB players began to bring their mains into RvB and shipped up to pimped cruisers and battleships themselves. This didn't really increase their performance against the 3rd party wartargets but who doesn't enjoy having a dozen newbies (who stick to t1 frigates because cruisers are so expensive!) fawn over his dead-space fit Bhaalgorn?
- To speak with Chekhov, at that point the gun was on the table and the "anything goes to defend your HQ's undock" rule provided the justification to use it. ECM and expensive faction/t2 ships were used to "defend" the undock from the opposing side of the war, docking games replaced arranged fleet fights and Red and Blue grew to hate each other for not playing fair.

At that point (in winter 2010) I stopped putting alts into RvB because it was just not fun anymore and nothing like the RvB I remembered from just one year before. People were no longer fighting over a silly teapot, they fought because they actually hated each other and it showed.
The reports I have been hearing since indicate that it hasn't fundamentally changed for the better although there are a lot more purple ops and slightly more arranged fights.

edit: for a little more background on some of the events that lead to the transformation of RvB (from my PoV) in 2010, also see http://www.eve-tribune.com/index.php?no=6_2&page=3

And here I thought everyone had forgotten about that series Big smile
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#22 - 2012-07-31 10:56:13 UTC
Depends what you want.

RvB if you want blobs
FW if you want blobs.

Wait its the same thing, RvB is not the same as it used to be. Its all 50 man cruiser and t1 frigate gangs that just go around ganking everything.

FW pvp for me has always sucked, idiots in crappy frigates/bc's flying around doing sites or gangs that just gank everything.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#23 - 2012-07-31 16:02:51 UTC
Its been a while since I was in rvb. But I think I learned quite a bit.

I did request allot of 1v1s in frigates. I think I would get about 5 good fights per 2 hours. In faction war you can expect to get about 1 or 2 good fights in that time. I think it was a better learning experience to get in that many fights. What I learned there applys to all the other ship classes. Plus the people I got in fights with were often very good pilots. Getting in gangs where you are constantly just ganking other ships will teach you very little imo.

Make sure when you request 1v1s you do not agree to a no warp out rule. Force the other side to tackle you if they want the kill. If you don't I think you will not learn much about the limitations and strengths of the ships you fly.

Faction war is nice too. I agree you can get tired of the arranged fights. But until you do its great fun and I think it will teach you more than what you get in faction war.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
Azami Nevinyrall
172.0.0.1
#24 - 2012-07-31 17:36:33 UTC
RvB for cheap thrills...

FW for the worst soap opera never written...

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