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Teams Removed From Competition

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Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-05-24 18:45:45 UTC
Banning two of the strongest teams will only serve to reduce the quality of the tournament and make for less interesting viewing. Tell them not to train together, sure, but banning them is silly and outright harmful to the tourney as a spectacle/showcase.
Rojo Mojo
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-05-24 18:47:19 UTC
Understand the decision about waffles, not happy about it, but I do understand. And as everyone else has stated, either Hydra or Outbreak should be allowed to compete.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#23 - 2012-05-24 18:48:52 UTC
Tawa Suyo wrote:

Either ban PL too or allow hydra/outbreak to enter a single team and declare the other the B team. Or at least have the decency to admit that this entire decision is based on a grudge...


Hydra and Outbreak are being removed because they're testing together in the same wormhole, they will draw from the same pool of theory, they are in essence one team attempting to get first and second place.


PL and YOUR VOTES DON'T COUNT do not share information, pilots, resources or anything else. Testing is being done in completely different locations, waffes are sourcing all their own materials and all their information is private.

That is the difference in their outcomes and choices.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.

Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#24 - 2012-05-24 18:52:39 UTC
Yes, hydra ruined the finals last year.

But in order to ruin it, they had to get two teams to the finals. Removing them from the tournament just lowers the quality of pvp.
Daneel Trevize
Give my 11percent back
#25 - 2012-05-24 18:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Daneel Trevize
You think people aren't testing against their own out-of-corp highsec/w-space carebear alt accounts? Or that people don't have accounts in multiple valid alliances? Which would mean officially-opposing TQ pilots are colluding.

Again, Syndicate had a 5-or-more-way-tourne on TQ, what's different about those teams being allowed rather than those that test on Sisi for free?
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#26 - 2012-05-24 18:54:18 UTC
no defending champion to beat is p. lame :O
Sala Cameron
Free-Space-Ranger
#27 - 2012-05-24 18:56:30 UTC
poor waffles :(
Oso Mafioso
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-05-24 19:00:01 UTC
Free Waffles Cry
Faffywaffy
SoT
DarkSide.
#29 - 2012-05-24 19:00:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Faffywaffy
I think Hydra and Outbreak do deserve to be banned (for what they did last year; not merely for practicing together), but I also think the tournament would have been better and more interesting with one of them participating.
Zach Donnell
Ghost-Busters
#30 - 2012-05-24 19:01:35 UTC
Last years tournament was disappointing as a fan for sure, however this year's is shaping up to be a total joke. Amazing job CCP.
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Perkone
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-05-24 19:02:08 UTC
So two alliances create "alt teams".

Pandemic Legion - Pandemic Legion/YOUR VOTES DONT COUNT

HYDRA RELOADED - HYDRA-RELOADED/Outbreak.


Yet you ban both HYDRA teams, but only one Pandemic Legion team, meaning all the "A" rank players from both of their teams will just join up into one team.

I personally hold no "beef" with Pandemic Legion, but it appears that CCP is applying different punishments for the same offense.

That will surely provide a more competitive Alliance Tournament, where you ban all the competition to one of the highest ranked teams who is guilty of the very same things you punished the other teams for.

Wow.

I'm rather speechless.


P.S. My condolences to the HYDRA team(s), you guys are a step above the rest, too bad you don't have Dev alts in your alliance.
Tawa Suyo
Hun-Select
#32 - 2012-05-24 19:02:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Tawa Suyo
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
no defending champion to beat is p. lame :O


Basically this.

Also, much respect for the PL guys calling this out as a CCP grudge and preferential treatment rather than merely being pleased they don't have the possibility of facing some of their most dangerous competition.
claire xxx
IronPig
Sev3rance
#33 - 2012-05-24 19:03:09 UTC
In the interest of fairness shouldn't the punishment for both Hydra and Pandemic Legion be equal?

I'm not saying I agree or disagree with what's happening, but if teams are being banned because of A-B team scenario then the punishment should be the same for all.

If you're going to ban one team then ban one team from both alliances. If you're going to ban two teams then ban two teams from both alliances. Doing otherwise smacks of favoritism and doesn't leave CCP looking impartial or fair.

Just my 0.02 Isk
Duncan Tanner
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#34 - 2012-05-24 19:03:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Duncan Tanner
Perhaps you should have answered our multiple petitions and e-mails asking whether we were allowed to test together before we even started testing?

Oh except for the one petition where we got a response from a senior GM who said teams COULD practice together.

Will Goons and TEST also be disqualified because they also test together and are blue to each other?

Will the multiple other teams that test against each other on SiSi also be banned?

Please help me out here. Thanks.

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ViRUS Pottage
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-05-24 19:06:15 UTC
Kinda mad about waffles not being able to compete, but the reasoning is understandable. However both of HYRDA and Outbreak being banned is ridiculous.

Sort it out CCP.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2012-05-24 19:07:01 UTC
All those saying it should also apply to PL. Why.

PL didn't give us the blantent **** fest of a Hydra / Outbreak final. It was a complete downer on an otherwise enjoyable tourny. Hydra deserve the punishment plain and simple.

I lied :o

Richard Stallmanu Stallmania
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-24 19:07:39 UTC
Duncan Tanner wrote:
Perhaps you should have answered our multiple petitions and e-mails asking whether we were allowed to test together before we even started testing?

Will Goons and TEST also be disqualified because they also test together and are blue to each other?

Will the multiple other teams that test against each other on SiSi also be banned?

Please help me out here. Thanks.


If you asked CCP and they did not respond, all blame is on them.

If they do believe this should not be allowed, the rule should be put in place for NEXT years Alliance Tournament, and not enforced after teams have been practicing in such a manner with "NO WRITTEN RULE STATING THIS IS A DIS-QUALIFIER", only to be enacted and enforced in a very short time prior to the event.

This is Bollocks.
claire xxx
IronPig
Sev3rance
#38 - 2012-05-24 19:07:45 UTC
Duncan Tanner wrote:
Perhaps you should have answered our multiple petitions and e-mails asking whether we were allowed to test together before we even started testing?

Will Goons and TEST also be disqualified because they also test together and are blue to each other?

Will the multiple other teams that test against each other on SiSi also be banned?

Please help me out here. Thanks.


Excellent question.
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-05-24 19:09:54 UTC
Richard Stallmanu Stallmania wrote:
So two alliances create "alt teams".

Pandemic Legion - Pandemic Legion/YOUR VOTES DONT COUNT

HYDRA RELOADED - HYDRA-RELOADED/Outbreak.


Yet you ban both HYDRA teams, but only one Pandemic Legion team, meaning all the "A" rank players from both of their teams will just join up into one team.

I personally hold no "beef" with Pandemic Legion, but it appears that CCP is applying different punishments for the same offense.

That will surely provide a more competitive Alliance Tournament, where you ban all the competition to one of the highest ranked teams who is guilty of the very same things you punished the other teams for.

Wow.

I'm rather speechless.


P.S. My condolences to the HYDRA team(s), you guys are a step above the rest, too bad you don't have Dev alts in your alliance.


:cripes:

No sig.

Kiyarii Oskold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-05-24 19:10:53 UTC
I hearby declare Hydra & Outbreak the joint winners of AT X, on the basis that CCP be so so MAD, and they probably didn't want a lol-ECM-Eagle anyway.

Congrats guys, yet another double win, and you didn't even need to shoot anyone on TQ this time. Awesome metagaming, true Eve right there.

HTFU, CCP.