EVE General Discussion

So like many other's when i saw this Letter Of Apology I assumed foolishly CCP had finally understood that there arragonce had reached monumental level's and the player base had quite clearly had enough. The letter was great, awsum, finally a change.

Lots of fun things promised in Inferno, problem is, most of them are CRAP, Not to mention you had a months of testing this and still like EVERY patch, you screwed it up amazingly and even at one broke the the new

*super launcher* which again NO ONE WANTED

The New Inventory - No one likes it, the few who do, ccp fanbois - No one wants it, but u refuse to remove it
Missile Effects - Again, CCP, please remember, not all of us have 3k to spend on pcs
Local Bug - This goes to local/alliance/corp/public chats/friends chats - still havent fixed it, gj

Now going back abit

Captains Quarters, walking in stations - NO ONE WANTED IT. But still u implemented it, i remeber the day we installed the patch, a 200 page long long *i turned it off* thread.

You use the CSM - fat lot of good that is, ego players who get what they want done for there alliance and ignore everyone else.

Now moving backup to date - the amount of anit gank threads is astounding across three sections of these forums. What do u do, most of the empire player base is screaming for a removal of sucicde ganking - what do u do, why ignore them ofc.

So when does this nicely scripted and make no mistake, scripted apology from hilmar come into effect?

Sumtimes* i wish i had the money to buy you out. So i could fire most fo your incompetent idiots and hire real devs who knew what they where doing instead of loosing track everytime a pair of **** walks past

OP,

While I totally agree with you on the "not listening" part, which very much reminds me of Incarna days, I disagree on some other fronts.

The launcher nobody wanted, true. But from tech perspective, it was necessary. Most MMOs, heck most games that are frequently updated have launchers. There's a reason for that.

The walking in stations and avatar gameplay, QUITE A FEW people did want. I'm one of them. I would have loved it if EVE played more like Mass Effect, where you could leave the ship and have meaningful gameplay. But when Incarna hit, all we got was an empty room, which naturally pissed people off, given that footage of stations, bars, etc., was shown years previously.

Also, apparently there was an interview with a Chinese or Korean website recently saying something that sounded like CCP is going back to avatar gameplay in 2013, because Asian gamers usually like to have a character to look at and it's important to EVE's survival in those areas. I'm paraphrasing, but that's the gist of it if I remember right. So the whole Incarna mess ain't over yet! :)

CSM being useless bull dung? Yeap, totally agree with you there. The organization is a joke, election process is rigged, etc., etc.

High sec and anti-ganking? I'm undecided here. On one hand, yes, the vast majority of EVE's players live in high sec. It makes sense to cater to the majority of the population, from financial standpoint. But, if deaths in high sec stop, the economy might collapse. Some people in high sec have been using the same ship for 3-5 years, with more or less the same modules. It's by losing ships that the economy keeps moving. Stop the losses for 60% of population, and economy dies.

Though I agree that perhaps suicide ganking needs to be toned down. Currently it is just WAAAAY too easy to do. Also the repercussions for suicide ganking are virtually zero. Yeah, you lose the ship you're in, but since it is designed for this specific purpose, it is not an issue, as your kill's value typically compensates. The sec status loss can be recovered from as well, so it is not really a deterrent.

Which leads me to believe that perhaps sec status loss should be permanent and account-wide. That is, once you go red, you stay that way for that account, forever. People will still make alt accounts, but it'll slow them down a bit, I think. I mean, EVE simulates reality in many ways. In reality, if you commit a felony, it stays on your record forever. You can't vote, you can't own a firearm, etc., etc., for the rest of your life. Same thing should happen in EVE, it totally fits into the whole "make choices and live with the consequences" bunk that the "hardcore" players have been trying to sell for years.

Started reading this thread and about 1/2 way through it got totally disgusted at seeing the troll horde descending on this thread. The only posted reply in this thread that's actually worth reading and 100% true is this:

No, an opposing viewpoint is fine, as long as it's not disrespectful. Nobody is twisting arm's forcing players to post sarcastic replies intended to berate and demean.

Posting statements such as - "People not agreeing with your (and your kind) "vision" of what's right in EVE are trolls and fan boys and of course, most certainly disturbed in RL?" is you making an assumption about me and an attempt at trying to place me into a specific group, not to mention portraying my statement in a different viewpoint to say the least. You have no basis or proof to even make that comment, other than to start a flame war with me. Adding in your other statement - "In my opinion, the OP is the troll here. Others are just sick of the same old garbage being posted. There's only so many times you can reply politely to repetitive idiocy." clearly makes it a personal attack on the op, much like these other replies:

Jafit = "Many of the things you've said are stupid. This, however, is the dumbest thing you said: *guote op*. Get out."

Sobach = "basically, either HTFU and use something better than the atari you pulled out of the basement pile or quit, the game does not need to stay stagnant with you."

Lucy Oreless = "*sigh* exchange all "we" "us" "everybody" etc with the word ME and/or I !!! So if you cant afford a PC that runs EVE, go find something else to do.. because youre reasoning is beyond any logic. You look like a troll, writes like a Troll and probably is a Troll, but this time i bite! Getting sick of all this ME ME ME ME... "if i cant, noone should" mentality!! Go play pac-man or something!!"

Cutter Isaacson = "Poorly worded and delusions of grandeur, thinking you speak for anyone but yourself. You come across as an egotistical, lazy troll whose arguments hold no water and contain little to nothing of any value to anyone. People who disagree with you are not fanboi's, they just disagree with you, and rightly so considering the pathetic quality of your post. TL;DR Learn to make a constructive post, rather than vomiting **** all over the forums and people might take you seriously."

Sid Hudgens = "GTFO you whiny little *****."

Bootleg Jack = "Booo fking wooo another cry baby post...WAAAAAAAAA Ima Special Snowflake and CCP won't listen to me WAAAAAA"

Jada Maroo = "Waaah! I'm poor!"

Marlona Sky = "*sigh* Stupid couples offspring..."

There's more but I like this one the best since it's now directed to me personally:

So now my response to this noob is "Instead of hiding behind the internet you're welcome to look me up in real life and try to make me STFU and leave this game."

Missile Effects - Again, CCP, please remember, not all of us have 3k to spend on pcs

And why should people who do want their security status messed up and live the life of a pirate be forced to play YOUR way?