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What is the logic behind not being able to change race and/or faction?
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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#101 - 2012-06-06 10:47:32 UTC
Because you made a choice. Deal with it.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#102 - 2012-06-06 10:57:43 UTC
I don't get it ... Changing race seems kinda "hard" ... in the "you're born [Matari|Intaki|Whatever], and you're gonna die that way" sense.

They don't currently track "citizenship" (i.e. Caldari, Gallente, Amarr, Minmatar) ... which could be "interesting" I suppose, but honestly I don't really care about, since we're outside of direct faction government control (i.e. CONCORD is our "government").

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Utremi Fasolasi
La Dolce Vita
#103 - 2012-06-06 14:55:19 UTC
drunkman bill wrote:
So you can transfer your consciousness across New Eden via jump clones but you cant transfer your consciousness into a completely new body be it a different race or gender? where is the logic in that.


The IC reason is that slight evolutionary brain differences between the races make transferring a different race's consciousness into another race's shell problematic.

We are talking 20 thousand years of isolation from each other here.
Svarek
#104 - 2012-06-06 15:15:44 UTC
I think it's probably very annoying that CCP changes the entire essence of a race after you have millions of SP into a character, so you can't realistically restart a character, as you have so much time invested into it. That's the downside of the SP system - you can't grind a character back up to level 70 if the race gets a re-design you don't like. You're permanently behind if you remake your character.

Whoops.
Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#105 - 2012-06-06 15:34:49 UTC
Meryl SinGarda wrote:
Because you made a choice. Deal with it.


Yep. That's why Character Bazaar sponsored by CCP makes sooooo much sense... Roll

I made a choice. I decide it's wrong. i sell this char. I buy another char. Yes, that's "living with the choices I made"...riiiiight...
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#106 - 2012-06-06 16:03:23 UTC
Gethin Rex wrote:
I agree with the OP .. I have rerolled at least 6 times (not this character) since January because of not being able to change race and name .. So that's 5 months of wasted SP I could have accumulated by now (on my 1st character) if CCP simply offered a way to change these seemingly trivial things.. I'm more than willing to pay a few bucks to change stuff like that..


But Geth, I am shocked...
Ban Bindy
Bindy Brothers Pottery Association
True Reign
#107 - 2012-06-06 16:35:31 UTC
Why would it be such a yes-yes for you to be able to change your race in the game? Makes no sense. Race doesn't affect much.
Yonis Kador
KADORCORP
#108 - 2012-06-06 17:49:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Yonis Kador
It should be abundantly obvious to everyone post-Inferno that not every change possible is good for this game.

What will be the next exploit sold?

Could it be done? Sure.

Should it be done? No.

Why? Because in this extremely detailed, technical space bonanza, it would make no sense.

A clone is a copy of the original. It's an exact copy. If it isn't an exact copy, it isn't a clone.

What you're asking for is the ability to be given a completely different organism, a new race, while keeping the life experiences of this one - just because you're dissatisfied with a choice you made.

That's not how life - or this game should work.

Yonis Kador
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#109 - 2012-06-06 18:12:48 UTC
I am a vain person, please change the game, it makes me sad the way it is.
Opodiphthera Eucalypti Lepdoptera
Doomheim
#110 - 2012-06-06 18:14:54 UTC
So many WoW analogies in this thread. Creepy. Changing your race isn't, at all.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#111 - 2012-06-06 18:17:03 UTC
You cant unborn yourself.
Rustling
Doomheim
#112 - 2012-06-06 18:17:28 UTC
Ituhata Saken wrote:
I was going to argue with you, but then I realized we drop into a new clone every time we die.


Trayvon didn't, in other words, you'll always be a lowly Minmattar OP embrace that.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#113 - 2012-06-06 18:27:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Perhaps when you have received enough spiritual enlightenment you will be allowed to transcend your genetically inferior heritage.

Come back to your rightful enslavement and we shall see.

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No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#114 - 2012-06-06 18:50:45 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Many games lets people change faction and whatever point a character has scored for his or hers faction receives an equivalent amount of points in the factions he or she is changing into.

I am not interested in what you people think about this. I am interested in why it's such a big deal for CCP considering a) they would earn more money and b) it would not alter the game in a negative way since we identify dearest friend and foulest enemy through the name we gave ourselves at EVE-birth.


And the thing that separates Eve Online from those 'other games' is the hardcore nature of it, in terms of pvp consequences and fluff crap like name/race/faction changes, etc. Just say NO to fluff.

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#115 - 2012-06-06 18:57:18 UTC
Mijano wrote:

Well, my essential point is that race now has a bigger meaning than it did before thanks to us being avatars. What we chose was never a faction because we joined player corporations with ethnic diversity where race and faction never was an issue

It takes (and has always taken) quite a lot of work from the CEO of the corp to make race and faction not an issue.

And that assumes that you're in a multi-ethnic corporation, where would PIE be if former "Minmatar Terrorists" could simply tweak their racial preference and suddenly be eligible to join up?

The history that our chosen race represents (and the game did tell you some of that history - although not as much now as it used to), the social outlook, the politics, all of the things which race and racial choices mean, would be lost if race could be changed like a character transfer. And I think that is a bigger loss than gain.

And even allowing for in-game methods of changing race (Jove-esque genetic engineering for example) which would have some real meaning I certainly wouldn't be in favour of trying to modify standings because of it... which sounds very much like "I'm -9.0 to the Caldari but I want to run missions for them, please give me an easy way out of the consequences of my actions".

As others have said, you can train for Caldari ships, you can repair Caldari standings and work for Caldari corporations, you can roleplay a corporate puppet (aka Caldari sympathiser). There's no need to be able to change race.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#116 - 2012-06-06 19:39:19 UTC  |  Edited by: ArmyOfMe
Rek Seven wrote:
just like in real life

Yup, though i do at times hope to wake up to find my gf has become an asian, without having to reroll herLol

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Ris Dnalor
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#117 - 2012-06-07 01:22:43 UTC
Mijano wrote:
I understand why we aren't allowed to change name (for instance, I created this character when a picture represented me; now I am a person, an avatar, but I have no name to represent that person) but I don't understand why we aren't allowed to change race and/or faction for a small USD or ISK fee.

I mean, come on! I AM A MINMATAR, and I can't change that, and I have nightmares, and I want Mijano to be Caldari.

Putting my subjective and highly emotional tears aside over choosing New Eden's version of early homo sapiens dancing 'round a fire in awe, why is it such a big "no-no" for changing faction? When Incarna came the different races within New Eden received personalities which previously didn't exist. Yes, we had lore, and I had probably watched too much Spartacus the summer before I registered my entirely own slave-born freedman, but the avatar gave us personality, and in due time we will walk 'round in stations interacting with each other using these personalities which our racial appearance is a fundamental part of.

Why is it such a big "no-no" even after Incarna which essentially and fundamentally changed how we perceive our characters?



they're missing out on an income source by not allowing it.

They need to go ahead and whore out for as much money as they can.


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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#118 - 2012-06-07 01:37:07 UTC
Mijano wrote:
I understand why we aren't allowed to change name (for instance, I created this character when a picture represented me; now I am a person, an avatar, but I have no name to represent that person) but I don't understand why we aren't allowed to change race and/or faction for a small USD or ISK fee.

I mean, come on! I AM A MINMATAR, and I can't change that, and I have nightmares, and I want Mijano to be Caldari.

Putting my subjective and highly emotional tears aside over choosing New Eden's version of early homo sapiens dancing 'round a fire in awe, why is it such a big "no-no" for changing faction? When Incarna came the different races within New Eden received personalities which previously didn't exist. Yes, we had lore, and I had probably watched too much Spartacus the summer before I registered my entirely own slave-born freedman, but the avatar gave us personality, and in due time we will walk 'round in stations interacting with each other using these personalities which our racial appearance is a fundamental part of.

Why is it such a big "no-no" even after Incarna which essentially and fundamentally changed how we perceive our characters?


why would you even ask that? what is the reason you think you should be able to magically change races...names, or factions... you can make alts in other faction and even treat them as your main.

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