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What is the logic behind not being able to change race and/or faction?

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#81 - 2012-05-24 14:11:00 UTC
Mijano wrote:
in due time we will walk 'round in stations interacting with each other using these personalities which our racial appearance is a fundamental part of.


Umm...my being Caldari is the result of my friends already being Caldari. It has NO bearing on my in-game behavior.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Jame Jarl Retief
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#82 - 2012-05-24 14:11:22 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:
However, I have never begged CCP to make my toon caldari.


What if you did, and they allowed it. Would anyone notice? Would it affect anyone in the game, in any way? Answer: probably not.

It would be a purely cosmetic change. It's not like EVE has race-specific bonuses any more, not since the stats have been normalized (i.e. dumbed down) for all races.

So why do you object to it, really? Just for the sake of objecting? It's a cosmetic change that changes nothing besides physical appearance of an avatar you can't actually see or interact with in the game. It also has the potential to bring CCP consideable revenue (like $15 for changing 2 lines of character description and setting up 1 free resculpt) and improve the game.
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-05-24 14:14:51 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
However, I have never begged CCP to make my toon caldari.


What if you did, and they allowed it. Would anyone notice? Would it affect anyone in the game, in any way? Answer: probably not.

It would be a purely cosmetic change. It's not like EVE has race-specific bonuses any more, not since the stats have been normalized (i.e. dumbed down) for all races.

So why do you object to it, really? Just for the sake of objecting? It's a cosmetic change that changes nothing besides physical appearance of an avatar you can't actually see or interact with in the game. It also has the potential to bring CCP consideable revenue (like $15 for changing 2 lines of character description and setting up 1 free resculpt) and improve the game.


I don't care how easy it is to implement. Your character's race is part of it's identity and history and you are not going to weasel your way out of that. Sure, you can buy a new toon from the Bazaar, but you can never convert your own character to another race.

And that's what's driving you crazy.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#84 - 2012-05-24 14:15:29 UTC
Jame Jarl Retief wrote:
OP,

Without reading the rest of the replies, I can guess you got a lot of negative replies, along the lines of "choice and consequence" and all that bunk that people here have been regurgitating for close to a decade now. The simple truth of it is, there is absolutely no reason why name change, race change or faction change shouldn't be implemented as a paid service. Aside from CCP's unwillingness to make money, that is.

Let's look at the "your name can't be changed because of your reputation in the game". Two words: Character Bazaar. I can make a Tengu pilot, behave like a total dork, then turn around and sell my character and buy a brand new Tengu pilot. Leaving my old name and notoriety behind, and re-entering the game as someone else to wreak more havoc. So much for "your name is your identity". If CCP was serious about this, they would assign one tag to a real physical person (name and address on the bill for the original game purchase), and use that to ID players. Then, and only then, would a character name mean anything.

Sex change? Goes along with the name change. Again, make a male Tengu pilot. Get tired of him. Sell him. Buy a female Tengu pilot. Viola, name + sex change. All within the rules. It's already being done. So why not simply sell a sex or name change as a service? More $$$ for CCP.

Race change? Again, goes with name + sex change, but it is even more meaningless. Really, what does race affect in EVE? Nothing! My character is a Caldari who is bloody HATED by the Caldari and Amarr, and loved by Gallente and Minmatar. And I mostly fly Gallente drone boats, for crying out loud! So what does race mean? Nothing! So why not allow us to change it, again as a paid service? What would be so horrible about Jame Jarl Retief changing from Caldari Deteis to Gallente Intaki?! More importantly, would anyone even friggin' NOTICE? I highly doubt it.

Heck, you could make skill refunds a paid service too. At this point I can hear the roar of bittervets already, which makes it all the more funny. Guess what? Character Bazaar! Look, I make a char, and I get him to 10 mil SP in drones. I decide I don't like drones. So I reroll, months of training down the drain. Choice and consequence? Methinks not! What I do is sell my character, and buy a character with 10 mi SP in missiles, which is what I want. And in the process I get: a new identity (char name) and possibly a new race AND gender change! Not one or two or three but FOUR birds with one stone!

Bottom line, you'll be fed a lot of bunk in this thread, but logically there's really no reason to keep things set in stone as they are. Just look at Blizzard. They're making millions selling virtual ponies to morons. There's no reason for CCP not to offer these things as a paid service, not for ISK or AUR but cold, hard cash. And people will do it. Free money with very little work. But nooo...EVE is cold and harsh. And in the vacuum nobody can hear you make logical arguments! Big smile

Very interesting arguments! I agree on many points with you. I have myself considered trying to trade this toon for an equal in Caldari which essentially would be more "bad" from a you-are-your-character perspective than me changing race.

masternerdguy wrote:
Mijano wrote:
masternerdguy wrote:
You chose to be a Minny! You want to change because for some reason you feel dissatisfied with that. Instead of rolling a new toon you come here to whine and complain that CCP should let you pull a full on identity change and become Caldari.

And this makes EVE easier ... how, exactly? I have Caldari toons. I want this one Caldari, too.

masternerdguy wrote:
If they let you do that, it's a slipper slope towards name changes and other things that will negatively affect the sandbox. This game works because all actions have risks and rewards, and there are always consequences.

No, it's not. Stupid. Stop being stupid.


It makes it easier in your warped mind. You've convinced yourself you need to change races to be happy. Also, I am not going to regurgitate all the reasons why changing identities is bad for the sandbox. Those threads cropped up every week for a while, search is your friend.

A quick story, for lulz.
I was gallente when I started.

I discovered caldari and learned their ships, shield tanking, and became friendly to their agents.
I was in caldari fw against the gallente as an FC for a while.

I am now KOS in gallente space.

However, I have never begged CCP to make my toon caldari.

How do I gain something over you by changing race? I won't even try to be ironic here because I'm not sure your brain can handle it. I won't gain anything. You're the typical eve-is-baad-braaah-n-you-have-consequences-unless-you-wish-to-change-your-*******-skin-color-because-that-isn't-eligible-inconsequences.

In which universe is me offering payment to CCP for a race-change "begging"? Your rhetoric is so common it's boring.
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2012-05-24 14:18:15 UTC
More importantly, you used to be a Br0din.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.

masternerdguy
Doomheim
#86 - 2012-05-24 14:19:03 UTC
I've said my points. I will finish with this.

Implement the ability to pay to fundamentally alter the identity of a character (name and race) and lots of vets are going to leave.

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Gethin Rex
Tributum Fraudisque
#87 - 2012-05-24 14:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Gethin Rex
I agree with the OP .. I have rerolled at least 6 times (not this character) since January because of not being able to change race and name .. So that's 5 months of wasted SP I could have accumulated by now (on my 1st character) if CCP simply offered a way to change these seemingly trivial things.. I'm more than willing to pay a few bucks to change stuff like that..
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#88 - 2012-05-24 14:24:05 UTC
Gethin Rex wrote:
I agree with the OP .. I have rerolled at least 6 times (not this character) since January because of not being able to change race and name .. So that's 5 months of wasted SP I could have accumulated by now (on my 1st character) if CCP simply offered a way to change these seemingly trivial things.. I'm more than willing to pay a few bucks to change stuff like that..


Are you people insane?

What are you doing that requires changing your name/race 6 times? Are you scamming in Jita or something?

Things are only impossible until they are not.

Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#89 - 2012-05-24 14:41:25 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Many games lets people change faction and whatever point a character has scored for his or hers faction receives an equivalent amount of points in the factions he or she is changing into.

I am not interested in what you people think about this. I am interested in why it's such a big deal for CCP considering a) they would earn more money and b) it would not alter the game in a negative way since we identify dearest friend and foulest enemy through the name we gave ourselves at EVE-birth.


What about all the standings you currently have with mission agents etc? What if you are barred from entering Amarr space for example and you switch to being an Amarrian? Imagine how much work would have to go in to switching all your standings just because you can't deal with the fact you chose one race over another. You also haven't really given a good reason as to why you SHOULD be allowed to switch race.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#90 - 2012-05-24 14:45:37 UTC
masternerdguy wrote:


Implement the ability to pay to fundamentally alter the identity of a character (name and race) and lots of vets are going to leave.


Your right, and thankfully ccp wont implement this.

OP

If you want another toon, goto the character bazaar and buy one that suits you or just create a new one.
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#91 - 2012-05-24 15:25:52 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
More importantly, you used to be a Br0din.

I remember. I still have things in TNT. Blink
Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#92 - 2012-05-24 15:30:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mijano
bongsmoke wrote:
If you want another toon, goto the character bazaar and buy one that suits you or just create a new one.

We invest a lot of time in this. I have two toons besides this one, both of whom are Caldari. I'd like them all to be Caldari. I'm sure a lot of people would change race or bloodline given opportunity, but I'm also sure that I am in a minority thinking actively on this. What we can all be sure of is that CCP would earn a lot of money implementing a race change feature, and we all know that if they were to implement something like that, they would never do it without making sure standings weren't compromised.

I don't think they will implement it, though. Maybe they hate money, maybe not. Maybe they earn enough since most of us have alts. Maybe they will give us 1 racial change when they introduce interracial offspring.
Cutter Isaacson
DEDSEC SAN FRANCISCO
#93 - 2012-05-24 15:35:08 UTC
Mijano wrote:
I won't gain anything.


If you won't gain anything, why are you asking for it? The gain for you will be escaping your choices. For some of us, our characters have always had a personality, even before we had real avatars, its your problem that you only started to think of your character in this sense once you had a body for it. You made a choice, you failed, now you are screaming for CCP to make it all better. Tough **** mate, live with it.

"The truth is usually just an excuse for a lack of imagination." Elim Garak.

Mijano
Hakaari Inc.
#94 - 2012-05-24 15:40:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Mijano
Cutter Isaacson wrote:
Mijano wrote:
I won't gain anything.


If you won't gain anything, why are you asking for it? The gain for you will be escaping your choices. For some of us, our characters have always had a personality, even before we had real avatars, its your problem that you only started to think of your character in this sense once you had a body for it. You made a choice, you failed, now you are screaming for CCP to make it all better. Tough **** mate, live with it.

And it's your problem that you break tears at the thought of another person changing race. Keep it there.

I do appreciate all these basic rhetorical skills you people have; "screaming", "begging", "whining", etc, which all are based on false assumptions to cast a debater off. It's not really good rhetoric, though, since it depends on a highly stressed and anger tempered debater, since I am neither it really doesn't work on me and your rhetoric falls flat. However, it's interesting to see this kind of rhetoric in action; usually one has to watch a grade school debate if one wishes to see such underdeveloped forms of intellect.
Greyscale Dash
Doomheim
#95 - 2012-05-24 16:36:38 UTC
I should be able to have an arbitrary number of heads on my toon because Im a special snowflake.
drunkman bill
Knights Templar.
Blood Raider Shipyards
#96 - 2012-06-06 08:47:24 UTC
So you can transfer your consciousness across New Eden via jump clones but you cant transfer your consciousness into a completely new body be it a different race or gender? where is the logic in that.
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#97 - 2012-06-06 08:54:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
You should be ashamed. Wanting to go from a proud matari to a corporate scum rat Caldari pilot.



*insert stereotypically arrogant Amarr comment about spiritual superiority*

*make reference to slavery*

Mijano wrote:
Where was Darwin when evolution brought you people forth?

Yes. Where was Darwin 200,000 years ago?

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Sable Moran
Moran Light Industries
#98 - 2012-06-06 10:17:39 UTC
Mijano wrote:
Many games lets people change


Eve is not many games, Eve is Eve, around here things are done differently.

Mijano wrote:
I am not interested in what you people think about this.


Why did you post this on the forums then? If you want an answer from CCP then you should have made a petition.

Mijano wrote:
a) they would earn more money


Money, Rollhuoh...Roll And money is everything, is it??

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lanyaie
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#99 - 2012-06-06 10:28:55 UTC
Logic??? In eve you sir are paranoid how does one put those 2 words together without causing a massacre.

Spaceprincess

People who put passwords on char bazaar Eveboards are the worst.

Motamar Askold
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#100 - 2012-06-06 10:35:06 UTC
Well because factions have there own unique races and it will upset a balance of some sorts.

I always wanted to be a Gallente, but I'm stuck as a Minmatar.

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