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So, not allies? There was nothing in your comments that refutes my statements.

Just because there are cultural similarities does not necessarily mean there will always be an alliance, as per Caldari/Minmatar.

The Caldari and Amarr are military and economic allies, whereas the Gallente and Minmatar are also social, political and cultural allies as well. Both the Gallente and Minmatar value individual freedom, and are highly expressionist in their arts (tattoos and bodymodding etc).

The Caldari and Amarr are also both 'control' societies that demand unquestioning loyalty to the central government. It's also not as simple as "The Gallente bombed the Caldari, therefore the Caldari are natural allies to the Minmatar". The Caldari were the first to commit violence against Gallente nationals. The dispute was also between the Federation Senate and the Caldari corporations, not necessarily the Gallente and Caldari people. Meanwhile, while the Gallente, Intaki and Mannar all banded together to colonize space as one, the Caldari selfishly (arguably) decided to horde a sector of space to their own. It's not that clear-cut as the Amarr enslavement of Minmatar.

I'm not sure I can really agree with the above. I see your point about how Amarr and Caldari lifestyles are interchangeable - from a position of the commoner's standard of living. The attitude, however, differs quite a bit...I'd say that they have more superficially in common than they do in their foundations.
For example: nobody expects the Ammarian slave caste to be happy with their lot in life. They're slaves and heathens, of course they're unhappy. With the Caldari, though, even the lowest-ranking cogs in the corporate machine are subject to the morals of a meritocracy - yes, life sucks, but you're PART OF the system, not just owned by it (though it does still own you). If you didn't suck/were willing to put in the effort, you wouldn't be a low-ranking cog, so put up or shut up. This is a stark contrast with the very rigid Ammarian hierarchy where, unless there is a very convincing mitigating circumstance, your entire life is determined by your birth. Also, nobody really expects a slave to be loyal to their keepers, but it definitely IS expected that every Caldari is loyal to the state above all else.
Basically, I guess I conceive of the Caldari ethos (in intent, if not always in practice) as being like an ill-tempered grandpa that smacks you upside the head for screwing up, because he thinks that's the only way you'll learn. Amarrian ethos seems more like that of a bully who regularly beats you up and takes your stuff because he thinks he deserves it more than you.
Or, one is brutal but at least allows you to try and prove yourself, where the other is just brutal because **** you.

Also good to remember that the Caldari system - at least in the propaganda - isn't entirely run by money. There's no American dream to get rich, at least not for the most of the work force. I would assume that at least the Patriots (Kaalakiota-Lai Dai-Wiyrkomi and their subidiaries) use heavily nationalistic propaganda - so they are more like a military dictatorship which just happens to be governed as a megacorporation.

I think this about sums it up really. Once the common enemy is defeated (Third Reich / Gallente) you can bet they will turn on each other.





haha how is that simpler!? A comparison to global historical events that are common knowledge to the western world or your very impenetrable references specific to one country.

I love how you guys think!

"You guys?" I'm Polish-Canadian.

Eko does have a point. It's a given that a sizeable majority of the world's pop. has never heard of Alabama, never mind care less. San Francisco* is perhaps better known, globally. As for Republican and Democrat, well, let's not go there. Just two poltical parties of hundreds, world-wide, albeit powerful ones.

It's like the dreadful 'Family Guy' series: you're forced to have wikipedia open to understand the constant 'witty/satirical' 'flashback' references to U.S. cultural icons or whoever is the butt of the current joke. This may of course be the fault of the importers and distributors of various countries, rather than the writers and producers of Family guy -but it's still irritation of the highest magnitude.

And no, I can't turn the bloody thing off because someone in the household actually likes Family Guy.

Evet Morrel wrote: "... the Amarr are Saudi Arabian Takfiri, the Caldari are the Post-Maoist Chinese, the Gallente are Eurotrash and the Minmatar are Colombian - neither the Saudi nor Chinese have the vote and it doesn't matter how the Euro and Colombian vote."

There. This is more transmitable to a global audience; less of a speed-bump as it were.


*Peter Griffin says: "Karl Malden!" Oo I got that one, no need for wikipedia this time around!

Edited to add: This isn't an anti-U.S. bash: Quite to the contrary. Since we're referencing world history here, some of us are aware of which countries kept the peace in western europe, of which I am a resident, for many decades. Current EUSSR revisionist nonsense would have everyone believe otherwise.

Someones at CCP was\is a big history buff.. It is readily apparent in the Fiction.. World history at that.. He who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it..

War. War never changes..........

With all due respect, this tells me nothing


I don't think so. USSR with UK were enemies before WWII, mainly because USSR left the Entente and signed separated peace with Germany during WWI (who lost after that), cancelled all debts and economical obligations of previous government, pissing off everyone around. But after WWII it gained some supporters and formed formidable military bloc.
Unlike this, Amarr with Caldari had peaceful and profitable economical ties before the war, so there is no reason for them to turn against each other. Caldari do not strive to capture everything around and they can easily make enemies amongst themselves as 'healthy' corporation competitions. And Amarr will have much more 'not-converted' to the religion entities around, including new governments that will result from former Federation and Republic.