EVE General Discussion

Hello Drath DeLeonval, welcome to EvE Online.

You are learning one of the first lessons in this game, "If you can't protect your assets, you don't deserve them".

Example; Tier 1 frigate - Atron. 2 highs, 2 mids, 2 lows. 2x ion blasters, ab an scram, damage control and 200mm armor plate, light attack drone ready.

Example; Tier 3 Frigate - Rifter (By far the most popular combat frigate in game) 4 highs, 3 mids, 3 lows. 3x 150mm autocannons and nos, ab, web and scram, armor repper, damage control and 200mm armor plate.

On paper, the rifter is clearly superior. However with skills, tactics and a bit of luck combined with with few other factors the rifter can easily die. Even a clean 1vs1 can go in the Atron's favor - the rifter pilot could be using inferior gear, make a mistake, or be inexperienced, lagg out or hell, simply not react fast enough.

That's it for your inaccurate claim about tier1 and tier3 frigates. Bigger don't instantly mean better by default.

As for your situation... there are a few things to be said.

Your corp - 16 people. Describes yourselves as a mining corp with a security wing, advertising industry and combat as corporate endeavors. About two months old with a CEO a few days older than that. You live in a 0.8 noob system. Your enemies...

... started in and possibly still live in a 1.0 noob system, are 28 people in a week old corp, on average between a week and a month old, (with the exception of 3 who are unknown to me, one 5 year old and one 1 year old player) led by a CEO younger than you. Most are as fresh as you are, and even if all of them are alts of older players and know what they are doing or are being led well by their seniors, they are still limited by their skill-points total. That means mediocre frigate/destroyer skills or ****** cruiser skills or above., with possibly only 5 exceptions. Ergo...

you have a 2vs1 odds war in their favor and comparable tech and skill grades, yours is likely the better industry base. You situation is far from as hopeless as you claim. however...

Paying the ransom for a billion to avoid a war was not smart - there was NO guarantee that they would honor it (and lo and behold, they didn't) and now you have funded their efforts and given them reason to think you are weak and easy prey. This encourages rather than hinder many players. You assume your cause is lost and would rather complain that the game-mechanics are broken even when they work exactly as intended. That is sure to help them. So...

Here's a little piece of advice.

Firstly, advertise yourself as seeking allies in the war, perhaps even promising pay, negotiable between you and your possible ally. Second, you gave your enemy a billion isk before the fighting even started to avoid a war entirely, this was not honored - and that makes your targets dishonorable scum in the eyes of many players who do in fact care for their reputations and realize reputation is the only solid currency in this game - the only thing to be truly earned and lost. It's likely that your rather high-profile post here in the general discussion forums will attract some mercs who would gladly kill your targets for you, perhaps even on principle grounds - I know I want to.

Even if not, again, go to the proper forum section and advertise your desire for allies, there are surely going to be someone willing to help you. Just remember that your looking for mercenaries - normally, mercenaries get paid. Don't get ripped off, however - this is not worth another billion.

Thirdly, with an industry base, gathering gear and funds should not be a big problem for you - after all if you have a billion to give away before a shot is fired you likely have the means to arm yourselves - do it. Arm yourselves, ensure smooth coms (TS3, ventrillo, skype, eve-voice, whatever) and work as a team. FIGHT BACK. Even if you lose many ships, they can easily be replaced, and you will improve your skills in combat and be better suited for your own defense the next time this happen.

Consider also that these people have already cost you a billion isk and your time and your income ratio - if they are out to make your lives uncomfortable, they are certainly achieving this goal right now. Don't let them. Park your mining ships, haulers and non-combat gear for now. Build or buy whatever cheap ships you can fly, Frigates, destroyers and cruisers are good options for you. Given the current market climate I'd say build the ships, but your mineral stockpile is likely limited.

If you can't or won't fight then await reinforcements from allies and work as hard as you must to get them. If none are willing, and you still won't fight, by all means remain docked. Your opponent already have what they wanted, and boring them off is likely going to be a reliable, if crude tactic. It might also see you losing several members due morale, but that could well happen anyway...

Try looking at it differently. Try seeing it as a challenge you must beat and that that is what makes EVE what it is. You should ignore the mentally challenged goons (seriously? I have yet to see a single intelligent post from this extremely large group, and that's saying something) and take EVE your own way. You are not forced to pvp, but you should consider fixing up an alt which focuses on aggression. I promise you that it will feel good when you can protect yourself and what you call your own.

I also recommend that you join RvB (RED vs BLUE). Yes, this is a pvp group in high sec, and I can see the irony in my advice, but they have rules which certain days prohibits e.g. battlecruisers, and it doesn't take long to fit a decent frigate or cruiser. RvB are two corporations (Red Federation and Blue Republic) which are constantly at war with each other. Many "newbies" are drawn to RvB and it gives you a perfect way to learn pvp.

You of course don't have to learn pvp; if you wish to only mine and be industrial, then maybe it's best you continued doing so, but the fact of the matter is that EVE is a game with tools players' will utilize to take what is yours. If you want to protect yourself you'd do best in having at least an alt which is pvp capable, because, like you said, EVE is a game with a high risk in it. What do we do when we stand before risk and his friends? We try to minimize the risk in favor of reward; by creating a pvp-capable alt, you'd minimize your risk, just like you'd minimize it by joining a corporation with players which will teach you, help you and stand by your side the next time someone tries to camp you.

I wish you the best.

M.

Inocent troll ???

Wardecs *are* for highsec, no one really needs to worry about wardeccing in lowsec or nullsec ...

every time you undock you are at war.

Gotta agree with this, EvE isnt for everyone.

There are always alternatives to get out of those situations, granted the learning curve will take a bit. Depends on you if you stay or go. Best wishes and hope you decide to give it a chance. Also, ask your corp mates lots of questions or use the rookie channel to help further learn.

He can always join Eve_university to flatten the curve . Eve Universty

What is the problem on being pod killed? You had a clone right? So.. you lost only a tiny bit of isk. This game is made so you loose stuff all the time!


Its like you are crying because you had to spend money into a condom and prefer to not have fun to avoid having to loose money on that.

i will be honest war is just something you have to deal with in eve and it has allways been like that, this time however the new systems makes it far more itneresting and here is why.

it costs the agressor more money if you have more people in the corp he is declaring on and so its better to have more of you banded together but this works both ways ..... more of you means more targets and isk isant really a hard thing to grab these days.

you can invite friendly corps or alliances to come to your aid now this is the important one. you can now have other helpful chappies or even mercinaries work with you to kill off the enemy so in theory if your a mining corp and you should be making money you invest in a corp selling there skill to fight.

i assume very shortly you will see posts going up on this forum selling such a service and its up to you if you want to trust them.


other ways to develop through in your own means is to find someone who does like PVP and invite them to your corp or get him to make his own corp and make an alliance or whatever is easiest for you and have them run the PVP operations and defend you whilst you go about your business.

as was also mentioned before if you do just want to carry on in ur own tiny corp mining and nothing else then make jump clones in multipul areas with ships set up for just the occasion however even then if they enemy is using locator agents you can still be found just keep an eye on your surroundings and play clever maybe have a scout in ajoining systems ?


the great thing about going to null and any null player will tell you is that glorious local chat and how anything that is not blue is more then likely there to kill you or cause you some crap so easier to notice its probobly one of the many reasons people favour null ...... you know exacty who your enemy is you dont have to second guess at what they are up too.

hope this helps.

Trader