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Plentath
Sparkle Motion.
#21 - 2012-05-24 16:52:06 UTC
Rroff wrote:
A standard gank prot with a single 1600mm plate on is ~16.8% more mass than one with the plate offlined - if your trying to move a large fleet through say a 1bn mass WH this could make a difference tho generally I agree its a waste of time.


You're looking at it as the percentage mass of a small ship, which is why it seems significant.

A 1600RT plate is 0.25% of the mass allowance of the smallest WH type. Or, to put it another way, 20-50 such people doing that is merely the expected natural deviation on the actual mass limit, before you even start counting.

Plates are way way less significant than standard deviation and unless you're willing and able to online and re-cap your ships afterwards it can only be detrimental.

If a handful of bombers do a run whilst you're all sitting there with your plates offlined you're unbelievably boned.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#22 - 2012-05-24 17:10:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Plentath wrote:

You're looking at it as the percentage mass of a small ship, which is why it seems significant.

A 1600RT plate is 0.25% of the mass allowance of the smallest WH type. Or, to put it another way, 20-50 such people doing that is merely the expected natural deviation on the actual mass limit, before you even start counting.

Plates are way way less significant than standard deviation and unless you're willing and able to online and re-cap your ships afterwards it can only be detrimental.

If a handful of bombers do a run whilst you're all sitting there with your plates offlined you're unbelievably boned.


As a generalisation yes - however I've not completely uncommonly been in 40-50 man T3 fleets + guardians, bhaalgorn or 2, etc. through 1bn mass WHs - plates offline v plates online that ~760m v ~640m which makes quite a difference when your then chucking misc ~150m mass support BS and other support ships through as well on a 1000m mass hole. Even with smaller numbers if your wanting to move in and out depending on tactics it can make a difference to. Granted I'm not a big fan of the situation where your potentially in harms way with plate(s) offline either.
Plentath
Sparkle Motion.
#23 - 2012-05-24 17:48:19 UTC
Rroff wrote:
Plentath wrote:

You're looking at it as the percentage mass of a small ship, which is why it seems significant.

A 1600RT plate is 0.25% of the mass allowance of the smallest WH type. Or, to put it another way, 20-50 such people doing that is merely the expected natural deviation on the actual mass limit, before you even start counting.

Plates are way way less significant than standard deviation and unless you're willing and able to online and re-cap your ships afterwards it can only be detrimental.

If a handful of bombers do a run whilst you're all sitting there with your plates offlined you're unbelievably boned.


As a generalisation yes - however I've not completely uncommonly been in 40-50 man T3 fleets + guardians, bhaalgorn or 2, etc. through 1bn mass WHs - plates offline v plates online that ~760m v ~640m which makes quite a difference when your then chucking misc ~150m mass support BS and other support ships through as well on a 1000m mass hole. Even with smaller numbers if your wanting to move in and out depending on tactics it can make a difference to. Granted I'm not a big fan of the situation where your potentially in harms way with plate(s) offline either.


Yeah, we basically agree. Though, I'm 99% sure there's not a 1000mil KG hole that allows battleships through P
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#24 - 2012-05-24 17:59:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Plentath wrote:

Yeah, we basically agree. Though, I'm 99% sure there's not a 1000mil KG hole that allows battleships through P


D364, M267, O128, X702 - M267 being one of the most common in a large PVP fleet context as its a C5->C3 link. Infact aside from the m267 the others are quite rarely used in this context so to some degree it is an edge case but sending largish T3 fleets into capital class wormholes to engage caps via a C3 isn't a totally uncommon scenario.

Sending a similiar fleet through a 3bn mass link would be another story entirely.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-05-24 21:43:00 UTC
Stewwhich wrote:
Protip: Siggy has a Jump Log


yeah, but having siggy open on all my clients in game instead of just once out of game is never gonna happen ;)

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Gnaw LF
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-05-24 22:10:29 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Stewwhich wrote:
Protip: Siggy has a Jump Log


yeah, but having siggy open on all my clients in game instead of just once out of game is never gonna happen ;)



Its called minimize, your IGB has it. Give it a try one of these days.
Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-05-24 23:43:54 UTC
bs: 100m
orca: 250m
freighter: 1000m
carrier: 1200
dread: 1400
rorq: wtf are you doing with a rorq in wh space

mwd adds 50. anything else is too small to matter :)
Trinkets friend
Sudden Buggery
Sending Thots And Players
#28 - 2012-05-25 02:25:17 UTC
This is only useful for people who have to deal with the N110, Z647, J244 and other holes leading into a C1. Everything else you deal with via the following formula:

Mass remaining = original mass - number of idiots jumping in and out required to get it to critical.
Mass to pop = original mass - 90% minus mass of HICtor with 2 WDG's online on the way out, minus mass of same HIC with 100MN AB active on the way in....times 3 at absolute most.

There you go. Problem solved! Never fails.

Oh, and the Z971. Hate it. With a passion. Mass to pop = way too little, better bring frigates.

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Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-05-25 02:32:22 UTC
Gnaw LF wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Stewwhich wrote:
Protip: Siggy has a Jump Log


yeah, but having siggy open on all my clients in game instead of just once out of game is never gonna happen ;)



Its called minimize, your IGB has it. Give it a try one of these days.


siggy doesnt work minimized.

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Stewwhich
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-05-25 02:47:32 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
Gnaw LF wrote:
Jack Miton wrote:
Stewwhich wrote:
Protip: Siggy has a Jump Log


yeah, but having siggy open on all my clients in game instead of just once out of game is never gonna happen ;)



Its called minimize, your IGB has it. Give it a try one of these days.


siggy doesnt work minimized.


Guess again.
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